False Religiosity and Bush's Victory

To Defeat a Thing, One Must Understand A Thing

The following is a very good article clearly laying out in simple terms the Bush/Rove Tactics in the 2004 Election.

Bush's Religious Language
by Juan Stam
from The Nation

George W. Bush began to take part in a Bible study group in 1985, after two decades of binge drinking. For two years he studied the Scriptures and put his heavy drinking behind him. In that same process, he succeeded in refocusing his life, which had been diffused and confused, into a coherent cosmic vision--or ideology--which corresponded to the mentality of the conservative evangelicals of his country.

When Bush decided to run for office, political strategist Karl Rove helped him make the link with the evangelical sector. While other candidates were discussing polemical themes, Rove advised him that it was much better for him to simply speak about his faith. Bush presented himself as "a man with Jesus in his heart." When a reporter asked him who his favorite philosopher was, Bush replied: "Christ, because he changed my heart." That corresponded perfectly to the extreme individualism of fundamentalism, and it constituted what in the metalanguage of evangelical code words is called "personal witness."

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http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20031222&s=stam

Media Watchdog Honors Brave Journalists:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4686823,00.html

Bush Made Gains With Hispanic Men:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4686788,00.html

I found the end of The Nation article cited above interesting:

It is remarkable how closely Bush's discourse coincides with that of the false prophets of the Old Testament. While the true prophets proclaimed the sovereignty of Yahweh, the God of justice and love who judges nations and persons, the false prophets served Baal, who could be manipulated by the powerful. Karl Marx concluded that religion is "the opium of the people." But Marx never knew committed Christians like Camilo Torres of Colombia, Oscar Arnulfo Romero of El Salvador, Frank Pais of Cuba, Ernesto Cardenal of Nicaragua, Dietrich Bonhoeffer of Germany or Martin Luther King Jr. of the United States. How paradoxical, and how sad, that the President of the United States, with his heretical manipulation of religious language, insists on proving Karl Marx right.

In True Fox News Form:

Some People Say...

Satan himself has created a new plane in Hell for Karl Rove and George W. Bush...if you belief that sort of thing...with hot and cold running blood baths, mirrored walls so they must peer into the rot of their respective souls for eternity and their own private island in a sea of fire that is invaded and occupied daily by liberal athiests...that is until Hell freezes over which might just happen before January 20th, 2004...The Battle for America has begun.

BOO! Karl and George...BOO!

Got Heresy?

As i did when i read the thread topic just now, I always cringe when I see bush has increased his amount of Jewish support. As a Jew, (as ive probably mentioned before)I cannot stand it when some of my fellow Jews say they support bush "because of Israel." I have family in Israel and they feel that the war in Iraq was awful for their security! I am going to dedicate myself to convincing Jews that bush is NOT good for Israel, and also reminding them that while as Jews we may feel a strong obligation to support Israel, we should also feel a strong obligation to promote human rights and equality. I think that many of the Jews who voted for bush did not think about those issues (human rights and equality) and simply voted, as they often tell me, "because of Israel" ...whatever THAT means...

Thanks for the post, Matt. As someone who is still learning how radical Jesus' teachings really are, I take some comfort in knowing that those with the true moral position are often in the minority position, historically.

John Kerry's positions are so much closer to how I perceive the teachings of Jesus than are Bush's. It saddens me that Christianity has been hijacked in our mass media and culture by those who confuse self-righteousness with true righteousness.

Re-Post because...well...it is VERY true and needs to be repeated.

Max Skolnik a newly elected city commisioner in DC who wrote the poem to his family and friends has unwittingly started the chain reaction...

Be a link in the chain and send to all who will listen to reason to assure them there is still hope.

The Battle For America

Hello friends, family, comrades, rebels, insurgents, refugees, exiles, expatriates, people in hiding and all the ships at sea…I debated whether or not I should say this…I wondered if it would do any good.

I have profound fears for the future…deep anger and sadness for my country…our country…our country that has been stolen away from us, captured by those who traffic in fear and hatred and bigotry and poison…I feel like we are lost in the forest right now…we're down the rabbit hole and there is no end in sight.

I know you all feel the same sentiments…the rage against the unanswerable abyss, the terror of what lies ahead…the confusion of what this Nation has become…I will not attempt to glide over the monumental disaster that was this election…there is no silver lining. There is no redemption. The illusion of hope in this last year has been mercilessly stripped away…the monster we face is now unleashed and free to reek havoc and spill the blood of innocents.

We are in a dark place…perhaps the darkest place…unable to even conceive of the idea of light, but we have been in such midnight moments before…

We have been in the pits of Viet Nam and the hanging trees of Jim Crow…we have despaired on the cotton fields of Mississippi and the bread lines of the Depression. We have been beaten down by crooked cops, pushed around by factory bosses, terrorized by the Klan and the fascists and the Nazis and know-nothings and the fat cats and the robber-barons and the corrupt politicians and wicked masters, but we have never surrendered.

We have never weakened or wavered.

Did we surrender at Kent State? Jackson State? No! Did we surrender at Selma, Alabama? No! Did we surrender at Hay Market? No! On the lettuce fields of California? In the textile mills of Massachusetts? In the coal mines of Colorado? In the meat packing plants of Chicago? At the Stonewall riots? At the pro-choice rallies? At the equal rights for women marches? At the anti-war demonstrations? At the strikes and the walk-outs? At the bus boycotts? No, no, no!

Remember, we have history on our side. We have the march of progress…the struggle for what is right and good and pure and free and equal and just and beautiful. We have the raised fist of EVERY FIGHTER! We have the righteous scale of anyone who has ever been wronged by the system anywhere at any time. We have the power of the powerless…we have the moral clarity of the dispossessed …we are the heart and soul of the struggle of the battle that never ends!

Look to our heroes.

We are the inheritors of a proud past populated by giants, heroes, artists, revolutionaries, thinkers, believers in mankind, defenders of the oppressed. We have the pen of Walt Whitman and Hemingway…the determination of Cesar Chavez, Margaret Sanger and Sojourner Truth…the faith of Martin and Malcolm…the beauty of Billy Holliday and Duke Ellington…the strength of Roosevelt and Kennedy…the joy of Mark Twain.

The history of America has been written by us…it does not belong to demagogues, the fear mongers, the war profiteers, the rich, the greedy, theocrats and the moulongs. They twist the Constitution but WE make it straight. They wrap themselves in the flag, but we fight for the freedoms…not the fabric. They shout out their pledges of allegiance but WE do the dirty work of democracy! They claim to represent the real America but WE are the keepers of the Tree of Liberty!

It ain't over yet folks…not by a long shot! So cry a few tears, bang against the walls, scream into the wind…then collect yourself and get back to work…its time to punch the clock…the Battle for America has begun.

In God We Trust... In George We Don't

Heathen Town
by Elvis Costello

From the album "Punch The Clock "

We used to call it sin city
Now it's gone way past that.
Painting the town
And then burning it down.
And even that's old hat.
Now there' a choir of angles
And the fall of rome
Singing "ave maria"
Or "home sweet home"

It's just a heathen town
I hear only evil
As my tongue is tightened.
I used to be god-fearing
Now i'm so frightened
'cause the devil will drag you under
By the sharp tailfin
Of your checkered cab
Now I can't sit down,
I'm going overboard
In this heathen town.

Starts as an a flirtation
And ends up as an expensive habit.
With one eye on her place
And that's his prison
And the other on a girl
Dressed as a rabbit.
Now you can live forever
In your fits and starts
The only stake you cannot raise
Is the one driven through your heart.

It's just a heathen town
I hear only evil
As my tongue is tightened.
I used to be god-fearing
Now i'm so frightened
'cause the devil will drag you under
By the sharp tailfin
Of your checkered cab
Now i can't sit down,
I'm going overboard
In this heathen town.

The people all said sit down,
Sit down you're rocking the boat.
The people all said sit down,
Sit down you're rocking the boat.
'cause the devil will drag you under
By the sharp lapels of your checkered coat.
Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down,
Sit down you're rocking the boat.

I just heard Lynne Cheney say that the red states and people with values were on the side of "right and good".

Obviously I am paraphrasing here, but that was the thrust of her message.

Rev up your cell everybody, its going to be a bumpy ride,

Native, et al

As part of the Kerry on Israel defense team, in NY, we did better than we thought we would. About the same this election overall, but they have made inroads, despite that we had a superior candidate and record to put forth. Mostly we lost some in Florida, although 25% overall. They got votes they shouldn't have because of Israel, former Mayor Koch looking for limelight, and I always blame the sun. There is also the progressive track, plus the orthodox track more comfortable with religious underpinnings to everything. Israel was an emotional issue beyond reason, where facts didn't matter once the fear and lies were spread. Like every other issue they exploited.

Still, I am always left uncomfortable talking about religion, something personal and holier than mere discourse. Also, I'm a New Englander, and not as Jewishly educated as I would like to be discussing our religion and in comparison. It's the huckster, using of religion that seems worse than other kinds of selling. We don't want to gain by fawning or appearing that way, and they've built a whole movement, unrepentantly, posing and promising. Someone in the White House met daily with pastors and rabbis, promising faith-based money. However, I think the Jews got one gift of $500K, but all the rest Christian, I believe.

Going forward with so much of their Congress beholden to the Christian right for election and the GOP so unforgiving of independence, much less moderation, I am curious where this goes after the Christ-in-Chief. How many of the promises must they keep? Helpful to keep telling people they, too, were holy by voting for Bush. Not against self-interest to be holy and right, it's redemptive and comforting.

Native, the Israel issue may unfold differently now because they have to use diplomacy, instead of claiming superiority by doing nothing. However, if you're still interested, check if you can still access the Kerry site. Click communities on the home page, left, go to American Jewish, and that is a start. Posted will be many things, but a final letter by Alan Dershowitz explains some of the lies, and the chutzpah. Also, you will find many soulfully written sentiments about and by John Kerry on Israel. If not, find some way to contact me and I will help. This won't go away, because they have been trying for years.

I found religion when I looked at this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/Vektardo/OMFG-BIG-JOHN-IN-THE-WATER-.jpg

Oh, god, yes.

ROFLMAO!!!

KIK you are a riot...

Meeting in the IRC for April...please join in...all are welcome.

http://www.winbeta.org/irc/kerry.php

Religion is something we're mostly born into, but this is one I definitely chose and still belong to with you, KIK.

Ah, do love you for that.

Here we go again over my tekkie head.

Please wish April whatever comfort I could give, from someone she doesn't know.

KIK, we were kidding please come back...

KIK

Shame on you! I'm here at work trying to concentrate! I've never seen that. Such an improvement over the monkey.

Didn't mean to cause a fervor.

Well, ok I did.

Tee-hee!

OnCall

Did you see the White House website? They have this incredibly dumb video with Bush's dog Barney racing around - it's got Rove taking blue ornaments off the Christmas tree & smashing them.

I thought that in 2000 they wanted to work across party lines & I thought that in 2004 they wanted to work with Democrats. But no - they want to insult half of the United States.

Insult the cities - insult minorities - insult women - insult intelligent people - insult those who run commerce - insult those who invent - & on & on.

Well they do so at their own peril. & it's not funny. Take a look (if you can stomach it) at the decorations our tax money is paying for. They have recreated a different Christmas song in each room of the White House, using teams of florists - songs such as "All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth." It's unbelievably tacky - looks like it came from the back of the dollar store.

Rove is about the most infantile waste of skin and space this earth has ever seen. WHAT AN IDIOT.

Posted by: KerryisKing | December 21, 2004 08:04 PM

KiK,
Somethings never change! :)

Pamela -
No, that will be hard to change. I see your blog has already been graced with this lovely image.

I saw this on Seattle IndyMedia & it has me laughing because it's so true!

"In Seattle the same 5,000 people get gassed at every march by the same 500 thug cops. You'll always find someone willing to cheer you on if you're going to throw a brick through a window. The hard part here isn't finding co-conspirators so much as developing a conspiracy that'll motivate people to stand up, put on a coat, and walk outside."

KiK

It is inspirational and does Light Up things doesn't it! LOL!

I logged onto to the chat for the meeting, but it appears I may have missed it. Or perhaps it had not started yet. I'll look for an update by email or here.

Sure, Shrub gained ground with false religiosity, but in kicking ourselves in what we don't do, we forget the positives, such as there are many Dems who are in fact proud Christians. I know many myself. In fact, Shrub may have gained votes among Church-going blacks (mostly the Pentacostals who get worked up over gay marriage and to a much lesser extent abortion)but Dems still capture the majority of the black Christian vote. The same probably can be said of churchgoing Latinos as a whole too, although by a slimmer margin. Where the Dems falter significantly is among white southern Christians. But I swear it's as if they study from a completely different Bible. To alot of Christians, black and white, in the Bible Belt,proclaiming your Christianity every other minute is what you're suppose to do. That's why Shrub's message worked with them. JKs more modest approach to his religion registered to this crowd as being ashamed and not true. So in the end they went with the one who proclaimed his status repeatedly and proudly. They see this as very brave because according to Revelations, those who live in the last days will be persecuted for publicly proclaimimg their faith and since many Southern Protestants believe we are living in the last days, they attribute Shrub's constant admissions as almost heroic. Also remember they still think they are being persecuted for their beliefs. So everytime Shrub brings up God in a speech they see him as bravely proselytizing to the world, which is what a good Christian does, spread God's Word. So because in the end, they believed that if they went with Shrub for president, the country would be blessed because its leader is being lead by God and doublely blessed because gay marriage and abortion would be banned -- they voted for him. All of this is scary folks, but it's how they think. I'm an African American Missionary Baptist as is much of my family, but luckily we have the good sense God gave us. Frankly when I see Shrub I recall all of the warnings about false prophets, but once again I've been blessed with the good sense God gave me.

Now all of this said, I still think there were those who voted for Shrub solely because they thought he could keep us safer and no other Dem aside from Clinton or FDR, would have made them feel secure enough to vote against Shrub. It's tough beating a wartime incumbent.

But if we are to pick up a slither of the Christian vote we must forge stronger relationships with the Democratic clergy. They are out there and we need to give them a greater platform to speak out about the causes that mean more to them like homelessness, poverty, ending the death penalty,and social injustices. We need to show this side of Christianity so that those who voted for Shrub can see there is a credible alternative to what they are currently being exposed too.

Just my $.02.

marjorie, I agree with:
"Helpful to keep telling people they, too, were holy by voting for Bush. Not against self-interest to be holy and right, it's redemptive and comforting."

Yep. That's a whole other aspect to the southern Pentacostal Christian mentality. They take sacrifice and self-imposed suffering to a whole other level. They don't believe they are suppose to be really happy and comfy here on Earth anyway. It's all about the afterlife, so they are willing to vote against their own economic interest to vote for what they perceive as morality in order to achieve a cushier afterlife. Think Mother Teresa, but all wrong.

GOP Profits from Smut

Talk about hypocritical… Terry Neal’s Talking Points in today’s Washington Post outlines an interesting phenomena of how “Big corporate America -- a staunch GOP ally -- was lining its pockets selling raunch to the masses, including the red state nation.”

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp

Check out this Christian Dem blog:
http://christiandems.blogspot.com/

Some true Christian talk here like...

"Many Christians seem to look at politics in religious terms. So when the Republicans use religious language they will get their support. What is needed is political and religious education for Christians. This way Christians could challenge the easy assumptions of the Christian Right which are more interested in worldly political power than in following the message of Jesus."

"Southern Baptists are giving up on persuasion and are now trying to save society by legislation. They think they can be salt and light by voting for politicians who will force their values on a nation with increasingly diverse values."

Also did you guys hear about this?

"Ethics Daily is reporting that a student at Carson-Newman College, a Baptist college in Tennessee, was removed from FCA's leadership after he told the chapter president that he would vote for Kerry. FCA leaders say the matter had nothing to do with politics.

Seems like I've heard reports like this before. Since the Fundamentalist takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention, denominational politics has had nothing to do with the removal of moderate denominational executives, professors and missionaries from positions of leadership either."

Florida Dem, and this is such strange territory for many of us.

As for my Kerry-centric religion and sacrifice, I'm watching Kennedy Center Honors, which I always enjoy, welling with tears. Shameless tear-jerker, always. However, this year willing to endure a prominent Bush just to glimpse Kerry. I've seen him, looking tall, not in the front row, but all's reassuring just seeing him. John Williams is being honored, so I'm listening to ET, Schindler, definitely emotional.

Another thing Dems need is a strong co-host on one or more of the cable network pol shows. I hear Ron Reagan Jr. is going to be co-hosting a new one with some right-winger, but I'm afraid while she will be enthusiastically pushing Shrub's agenda, Ron (who although is a liberal, is at the end of the day a proud Independent) will try to be fair. Conservatives like Joe Scarborough claim to be Independent but we know they are posing as such to give the illusion of fairness when in reality their lips are permanently glued to Shrub's butt. The problem with liberal Indies is that they have no interest in presenting the Dem Party in any better lighter than the GOP. And unlike conservative Indies, they will give fair assessment on both sides, not just the other side. Which is fine but not when we're in the midst of a battle with right wing wackos. That's why as a Dem I feel we need a strong unabashed party member to co-host one or more of these shows.

Hey Majorie-
What kind of seats did JK & THK get?

I think it's a sad thing that religion is often used a tool for election, but in today's political arena it seems like it is a necessity.

The fact is that George Bush sold his religious beliefs much better than John Kerry did. Kerry may have mentioned some of his days as a choir boy here and there, but Bush made it a point to discuss the matter, and discuss it often. And not just about his own faith, he consistantly says he wants to reach out to all people of faith.

The democrats also have a fine line to toe when it comes to religion. Although in this election Catholics voted in favor of Bush, they have traditionally aligned themselves with Democrats. Also, Black votes overwhelmingly support Democrats in elections, and attend church more often than Whites, Hispanics, and Asians.

But they also have a strong secular backing as well. If there is a party for promoting the seperation between church and state, its the Democratic party. So they must appeal to secular votes while also not alienating the religious voters as well.

Many of the other posters have pointed out that often what Bush and other Republicans stand for is not what most Christians would stand for. Liberals are the ones who stand for helping the poor, dedicating themselves to peace, and push for an all inclusive society.

It is the fault of the Democratic machine and John Kerry's campaign, in my opinion, for not sending this point home to voters. The party should focus on these issues and help seperate the unholy marriage between corporate interests and the common American voter -- these are the ones who cite moral values as their motivation for voting for Bush -- and help the Democratic party rediscover its roots as a party for the common person.

Florida Dem

Hard to say, just not prominent and front row. Almost as if they still want to keep him out of view until inauguration.

Looks good.

I voted for the candidate most likely to keep church & state separate. Kerry could probably have picked up some moderates by playing the religion card more but then I might have had to vote for "lesser of two evils", as usual, rather than being quite enthusiastic - as I was.

I voted for the candidate most likely to keep church & state separate. Kerry could probably have picked up some moderates by playing the religion card more but then I might have had to vote for "lesser of two evils", as usual, rather than being quite enthusiastic - as I was.

On Fake Religion:

    Now as loudly as the fundamentalists rail against the "abomination" of two men lying together, apparently when an entire government lies together, that is of no consequence. 

I just saw a piece on the American government's complicity in the Argentinean and Chilean death squads over the past thirty years (can you say "Hen-ry Kis-sin-ger?"), and I don't recall any outcry by religious fundamentalists on this un-Jesus-like behavior.  (This, in contrast to the Catholic priests and nuns who were among the "disappeared" because they actually saw a relationship between Jesus's message and the political, social and economic repression in Latin America.)

    Maybe it's time for those Christian-identified folks who feel that to "bomb-a-nation" is the true abomination to begin to prod and poke the religious Right (i.e., "The Grinch that Stole Christianity") with the question, "What would Jesus REALLY do?" 

Were we to fast forward the Passion scenario 2,000 years, would Jesus be strutting in front of an army like our own Fearless Leader -- or would he be more apt to be whacked by one?  As a carpenter, he might indeed be driving around i n a pick-up truck, but I'm doubtful the truck would have a "God, Guns and Guts" bumper sticker.  

   The trouble with "The Passion" was that it ends up being nothing more than a paean to patriarchy. Maybe the sequel needs to be "The Compassion," and those of us choosing to feed the wolf of love, and starve the wolf of fear and hatred get to write this new movie by living it.  Forget seeing it -- billions would flock to this flick to be in it.

May the Farce be with you,

Steve Bhaerman  http://www.wakeuplaughing.com

On Fake Religion:

    Now as loudly as the fundamentalists rail against the "abomination" of two men lying together, apparently when an entire government lies together, that is of no consequence. 

I just saw a piece on the American government's complicity in the Argentinean and Chilean death squads over the past thirty years (can you say "Hen-ry Kis-sin-ger?"), and I don't recall any outcry by religious fundamentalists on this un-Jesus-like behavior.  (This, in contrast to the Catholic priests and nuns who were among the "disappeared" because they actually saw a relationship between Jesus's message and the political, social and economic repression in Latin America.)

    Maybe it's time for those Christian-identified folks who feel that to "bomb-a-nation" is the true abomination to begin to prod and poke the religious Right (i.e., "The Grinch that Stole Christianity") with the question, "What would Jesus REALLY do?" 

Were we to fast forward the Passion scenario 2,000 years, would Jesus be strutting in front of an army like our own Fearless Leader -- or would he be more apt to be whacked by one?  As a carpenter, he might indeed be driving around i n a pick-up truck, but I'm doubtful the truck would have a "God, Guns and Guts" bumper sticker.  

   The trouble with "The Passion" was that it ends up being nothing more than a paean to patriarchy. Maybe the sequel needs to be "The Compassion," and those of us choosing to feed the wolf of love, and starve the wolf of fear and hatred get to write this new movie by living it.  Forget seeing it -- billions would flock to this flick to be in it.

May the Farce be with you,

Steve Bhaerman  http://www.wakeuplaughing.com

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It is interesting to read all that has been said about religion and this election. I find it hard to believe that those who are truly religious and truly understand the Bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ can even begin to believe this regime is moral, has values, and follows the teachings of Christ.

It seems to me that much of this--including the flawed polls are just another way the neocons are trying to take and maintain control.

They keep telling us it is a moral thing and they have decided that if they repeat a lie long enough, it iwll be the truth. Those of us who know better, need to challenge this claim anytime we hear it and let them know that we really did have the more moral and ethical candidate.

Great thread--I really enjoyed it-- and I do think we need to challenge these claims head-on.

Beware of the falacy of composition that every pundit analyzing the votes and polls seems to ignore. There are an infintite number of small groups which, in hindsight, hold the balance of a tight election. Here we could only be seeing the effect of Bush's manipulation of fear. Convince enough people of the risk of changing the CIC in the middle of a war, and you pull enough mass to defeat Kerry. That that mass is pretty evenly drawn from most religious groups is not surprising.

So was it fear or values? My guess remains that fear of terrorism was, ultimately, the primary factor and was used effectivly, starting with swift boat vets, the RNC, and Osama's October surprise.

Sorry, post by la was me

Latina

Marjorie G-

I watched, too! :-)

Saw this on DNC--Interesting they were discussing Religion as well on their open thread:

Those guys that wrote the "Left Behind" books. in their latest book they made the Anti-Christ the head of the United Nations and the Pope his right hand man. That's the crap I'm talking about.

I was devastated by the news of the 22 dead today in Iraq. I just kept thinking--how are these mothers going to handle Christmas? How are they going to survive their loss? How do they pick up the pieces of their lives?

The protests needs to start--we need to find our Dylan, we need to find out anti-war voice. We need to find our spiritual, moral, and ethical voice and speak as one--against this demogogue--who is neither kind or caring.

Bush drives me up the wall. He thinks he's prophetic when he says:"I look into his(Rummy) eyes and I see a good person.I look into his soul and I see a person that is capable and means well." All Bush sees is NO evil and do no evil..I can't phathom the next four years,let alone live it!! The worst is that people actually believe this crap!