The Daggers Hilt

Few things will haunt the people of conscience in this nation more than the unjustified, illegal, immoral, and unethical attack BushCo ordered on Iraq, followed by the horrors of torture and abuse at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib. That seems to be only half of the people of this nation at the moment, and we are the only ones hanging our heads in shame because slightly more than half of the people of this country voted for that cretin, and we're wondering where they put their brains as well as their conscience.... Their god will have to forgive them; I won't forgive such stupidity on such a monumental scale, especially since their immoral choice reflects badly on all of us. The evil has always been there to see quite clearly; there are none so blind as those who will not see.

Very powerful poem.

http://207.44.245.159/article8046.htm

Video: Ellsberg & Zinn Speech
Veterans for Peace National Convention

Daniel Ellsberg, best known for his release of the Pentagon Papers which helped bring an end to the Vietnam war, along with professor, historian and life long activist Howard Zinn, address the Veterans For Peace National Convention in Boston, July 23, 2004. They provide their unique perspectives on the war in Iraq, the Bush administration, and the November electio

Kangaroo

Posted by: Bob Evans at February 12, 2005 06:36 PM

The choice to do what's right and say no to any changes in SS is just too simple, isn't it???

I'm thinking we need to urge our legislators to repeal every stinkin' piece of legislation enacted since Jan. 2001, put a halt to passing any legislation until after inauguration day 2009 (and hopefully a Dem. president with some down-to-earth common sense, and proceed from there to enact legislation that actually makes sense for a change......

I suspect that's too simple a solution, too....

Excellent Poem

The truth will be told eventually.

Kangaroo

Navy Reservist With 11 Kids Heads to Iraq

By JOHN GEROME, Associated Press Writer

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Johnnie Chennault has no regrets about joining the Navy Reserve, even though it means he's going to Iraq later this month. But he does worry about not being around to help take care of his house full of 11 kids.
snip~
Chennault's wife is supportive.
"We go to a really good church, and they talk in there a lot about the husband's and the wife's role, what the Bible says is the husband's and wife's role," she explains. "And my role is to support my husband. My mother told me when I got married, 'Your life is about him, and you need to be there for him.'"
snip~
She knows she's going to miss him, but Ronda Chennault is proud of the example her husband is setting.

"It's important for the kids to see that he can't just weasel out of the duty that he volunteered for," she said.
http://tinyurl.com/5yzun

[~~maybe its just me, but I'm thinking she means unlike his CIC, who "just weasel out of the duty that he volunteered for" when it was HIS turn to go to war...]

Wow, that is some powerful poetry!

Bless this man!

The irony is... a poem like this could have cost him his life had it been found on him. Lucky for him, someone, somewhere knew he was in gitmo. What about the nameless souls whose own families have no idea if they are dead or alive, and certainly whether their loved one is in Cuba!

Shouldn't Afghanistan's 'leader', Karzai, be calling on the US to return his countrymen?

Robin,

And how about the Canadians, who sent all those troops to Vietnam and STILL haven't gotten them back! Still LOL, Ann Coulter, still LOL.

~this article is from the Asia Times
Anyone in bu$hworld who thinks the Iraqi election was a victory for democracy needs to read THIS:

The Shi'ites' Faustian pact

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GB11Ak02.html

Here's a short poem made up entirely of actual quotations from George W. Bush. Yhe quotes have been arranged, only for aesthetic purposes, by Washington Post writer, Richard Thompson.

MAKE THE PIE HIGHER
I think we all agree, the past is over.
This is still a dangerous world.
It's a world of madmen and uncertainty
And potential mental losses.

Rarely is the question asked
Is our children learning?
Will the highways of the Internet
Become more few?

How many hands have I shaked?
They misunderestimate me.
I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.

I know that the human being
And the fish can coexist.
Families is where our nation finds hope, where our wings take dream.

Put food on your family!
Knock down the tollbooth!
Vulcanize society!
Make the pie higher!
Make the pie higher!

Anyone have ideas re. what to do about this?

Person 1: "We need to get a fax/call campaign started around the country to set these two guys straight. It doesn’t matter that we are not his constituents. They are Democrats and so are we, and we all need to stick together. I don’t know how we can start the campaign, I guess by emails, and getting it posted on some blogs."

Person 2: I am sending it to Robin from OR, who is a diarist at Daily Kos now & to Dean Rapid Response Coordinators, NM. Help spread the word!! Let's act fast!!

Person 3: I actually found it on the RNC website but wouldn't want you to give them the traffic. The headline is from the RNC.

So what do we do about Carper and Nelson??

Democratic senator says he's open to private accounts in Social Security

WASHINGTON - A second Senate Democrat said Friday he was open to President Bush's idea of letting people divert some of their Social Security taxes to personal retirement accounts as Republican Party leaders tried to allay re-election fears among wavering GOP lawmakers.

Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del., said any plan should be bipartisan, in part to give lawmakers from both parties political cover for supporting major changes to such the popular retirement program.

"I don't believe that we should rule out the accounts," Carper said Friday in an interview. "We have a very low savings rate in this country and clearly need to find ways to stimulate savings, and I think we should be open to a wide range of ideas and not dismiss them out of hand."

Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., also has said he is open to discussing the private accounts, saying he wants to see details.

more... http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/10415.html#

from James in Florida (asked me to post because he's on a sailboat without a modem):

Good article on how Global warming can be stopped and our enviornment cleaned up. The amazing part is that it may actually even be less costly than burning coal!

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.02/nuclear.html

Posted by: DiAnne at February 12, 2005 10:50 PM

~it may be more than just DEM Senators Ben Nelson & Carper who are "considering" a compromise on SS

WASHINGTON - If there is a deal to made on Social Security, the broker may be a little-known South Carolina Republican who has been in the Senate for just two years.

While seniority usually carries the day in Congress, Sen. Lindsey Graham has assembled a small group of Democrats and Republicans with the intention of producing what no one else has: a bipartisan bill to add personal retirement accounts to Social Security.
snip~
No Democrat has signed onto his legislation, but several keep coming back to Graham's behind-the-scenes meetings.

"He's playing an important role," Sen. Joe Lieberman D-Conn., said last week as he headed to one of the sessions. "He seems to have the guts to make a proposal."

Added Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the top Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, which will write the legislation: "Anybody trying to get something together is playing a helpful role."

Other Democrats who have participated in the sessions include Sens. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, Nebraska's Nelson, Bill Nelson of Florida and Kent Conrad of North Dakota.

continue~
http://tinyurl.com/6goyu

According to the article posted above, The Senate Committee that will be writing any legislation on Social Security will be the Finance Committee.
Members:
Republicans
CHARLES GRASSLEY, IA
ORRIN G. HATCH, UT
TRENT LOTT, MS
OLYMPIA J. SNOWE, ME
JON KYL, AZ
CRAIG THOMAS, WY
RICK SANTORUM, PA
BILL FRIST, TN
GORDON SMITH, OR
JIM BUNNING, KY
MIKE CRAPO, ID

Democrats
MAX BAUCUS, MT
JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER IV, WV
KENT CONRAD, ND
JAMES M. JEFFORDS, VT
JEFF BINGAMAN, NM
JOHN F. KERRY, MA
BLANCHE L. LINCOLN, AR
RON WYDEN, OR
CHARLES E. SCHUMER, NY

John Kerry!! YEAH! He seems to be everywhere we need him!

Thousands of Russians Take To The Streets to Protest Changes in their Retirement Plan

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19792-2005Feb12.html

Why don't we do that here?!!

Russian arms sale to Chavez irks U.S.:
The Bush administration has lodged a formal protest with Russia for agreeing to provide the government of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez more than 100,000 AK-47 rifles that U.S. officials believe could be used to aid left-wing uprisings in Latin America.
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050210-123420-3113r.htm
[Ah, but Venezuela has oil.... which means Russia is invading Bush's turf....]

Memo from former Counterterrorism Chief Richard Clarke:
The former Counterterrorism Chief warns that “al Qida is not some narrow, little terrorist issue,” but an organization that “affects centrally our policies in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Central Asia, North Africa and the GCC.”
http://news.lp.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/clarke/clrk2rice12501mem.html

December 2000 Clinton-Era Report:
One of two reports attached to former Counterterrorism Chief Richard Clarke’s January 25, 2001 memo to former National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice warning that “al Qida is not some narrow, little terrorist issue.”
http://news.lp.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/dec2000aqmem9.html
[Images of Richard Clarke's memos....]

I seem to remember something in the Bible about the "sins of the fathers being visited upon the sons" to the third and fourth generation.... but this time the son invited one of the major sinners from the father's regime into his own administration. I don't remember if the Bible covers this kind of action where the son invites the evil people from his father's life into his own life....

http://207.44.245.159/article8045.htm
War is Peace; Slavery is Freedom

Democracy According to Elliott Abrams

By LARRY BIRNS

02/11/05 "ICH" - - Why has an admitted perjurer, a facilitator of death squads and an arms broker to Islamic terrorists just been appointed to be deputy national security adviser to President Bush?

It's tough to think of anything more "un-American" and less reflective of traditional family values than lying to Congress about illegal U.S. arm sales to a CIA-created band of murderous rightwing terrorists known as the Contras, and sticking up for death squads. Also, can one defend selling arms to Islamic terrorists by claiming that waging the Cold War sometimes required subscribing to the thesis that the end justifies the means? Given that Elliott Abrams managed to commit all the derelictions cited above, one might think that there was sufficient reason to prevent his name from being associated with the word "democracy." However, it appears that the Bush administration, as was the case of its appointing a known human rights violator like U.S. Ambassador to Iraq John Negroponte (when he was the ambassador to Honduras in the 1980s), rewards those who offer the White House their blood-soaked resumes.

On February 2, the White House announced that Abrams was being appointed to the number two position on the National Security Council, where he "will be responsible for pushing Bush's strategy for advancing democracy." In terms of the outrageous, one could compare this to appointing Pinochet or Kissinger to head the inquiry into Chile's human rights record during the general's dictatorial rule, or Saddam's conversion to the Quaker faith.

A brief review of his more notorious exploits will show that no one in the president's neocon inventory would be a less appropriate candidate than Abrams to be the overseer of global democratization and to make certain that "freedom's on the march." Needless to say, he was once again given a job at his present agency, the National Security Council, which would thus not require the all-but impossible achievement of being confirmed by the Senate, a body that is well aware of his blighted record.

In 1991, Abrams plead guilty to two misdemeanor counts for perjury after providing false information to Congress during the Iran-Contra scandal. Concerning death squads, he remains unrepentant regarding the role he played in the 1980s for facilitating lethal militant aid to these U.S.- sanctioned murderers of civilians. They operated throughout Central America and were responsible for the thousands of atrocities committed by the aforementioned Nicaraguan Contras and by the Salvadoran military. As for assisting Islamic terrorists, Abrams was directly involved, along with Colonel Oliver North, in the sale of arms to Iranian terrorists in exchange for the release of hostages being held by Tehran.

Given that Bush knew about Mr. Abrams' sordid personal history, including that it was his own father who pardoned Abrams for his crimes, does the President really believe that selling arms to terrorists in "axis of evil" countries and promoting democracy abroad is not somewhat of a contradiction?

Larry Birns is director of the Council on Hemispheric Affairs.

Copyright © Information Clearing House. All rights reserved. You may republish under the following conditions: An active link to the original publication must be provided. You must not alter, edit or remove any text within the article, including this copyright notice.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2005/02/11/national/w150842S43.DTL&type=printable
Lawyer: Contractor Beat Afghan As His Duty
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm not sure what the defense attorney is trying to prove in this case. It sounds like a twisted "I was only following orders" defense.... It was determined at Nuremberg that "I was only following orders" is not a just defense for committing murder or torture..... To say he was only acting on the orders, or permission, of the commander-in-chief....

~isn't this a bit ironic?? They must have gotten "how to fix an election" pointers from Bu$hco:

Losing Candidates to Contest Saudi Vote

By DONNA ABU-NASR, Associated Press Writer

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Losing candidates in Saudi Arabia's first regular election said Saturday they would contest the results, and accused the winners of violating electoral law and unfairly claiming support of Islamic clerics.
http://tinyurl.com/566k8

worth watching:

http://www.ericblumrich.com/14.html

~more on Eliot Abrams, Mr. NeoCon...this tells the story of how the neocons were born

Bush’s New Freedom Fighter
Elliott Abrams: The Neocon’s Neocon

by Tom Barry

President Bush’s Inaugural Address was the sound of the second shoe dropping. Three years ago the president shocked the world with the announcement of the U.S. government’s new doctrine of preventive war and global military engagement. Last month he proclaimed that U.S. power and influence had a soft side. Along with use of our military might, the U.S. government was committing the American people to an international campaign to promote freedom and democracy.
Minutes before his State of the Union Address, in which he repeated the promise to answer the call of freedom worldwide, the White House announced that Elliott Abrams would direct the new global democracy campaign as well as overseeing Middle East policy from his perch in the National Security Council.

Elliott Abrams embodies neoconservatism. Perhaps more than any other neoconservative, Abrams has integrated the various influences that have shaped today’s neoconservative agenda. A creature of the neoconservative incubator, Abrams is a political intellectual and operative who has advanced the neoconservative agenda with chutzpah and considerable success.
continue~
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0209-22.htm

Look at the goofy Republicans - attacking Lieberman as a "flip flopper"

http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=3371

But Rumsfeld calls himself "the New Rumsfeld" when he changes his position, and now Condi is "charming Europe" acc/Fox News LOL

DiAnne,

Serial killer Ted Bundy was described as "charming" by a lot of people who met him. And I'm sure Fox News also finds Ann Coulter charming -- despite reports that no one has ever seen her reflection in a mirror . . .

Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del., said any plan should be bipartisan, in part to give lawmakers from both parties political cover for supporting major changes to such the popular retirement program.

----------
Carper is one of the four minority whips. ANYTHING he does will be by way of Harry Reid. he also clarified his statement today. He is open to the idea of having private accounts, much in the same ways that I am open to the idea of my thighs getting smaller in the next month. Either someone ELSE will be paying for my lipo, or I you will come up with a solution to the number of calories that I burn in a day not needing to be reduced in order for my thighs to become smaller without me excercising more. Ain't gonna happen...but you know, I'm open to the idea of my thighs getting smaller in the next month. Let's talk.

That's how Carper is open to the idea of Privatization.

Spin,

Thanks for clarifying that. Around the blogs a lot of people are ranting every time they hear a dem say something like Carper said. Being "open" to discussion and being for bipartisanship is not taking a position or making an endorsement, as you point out so clearly.

Good luck on those thighs, by the way. I, for one, will stick my neck out and offer my endorsement of your position.

Dedicated to John Kerry

Love and Peace Or Else - U2
(How to Dismantle An Atomic Bomb)

Lay down
Lay down
Lay your sweet lovely on the ground
Lay your love on the track
We're gonna break the monster's back
Yes we are...
Lay down your treasure
Lay it down now brother
You don't have time
For a jealous lover

As you enter this life
I pray you depart
With a wrinkled face
And a brand new heart

I don't know if I can take it
I'm not easy on my knees
Here's my heart you can break it

I need some release, release, release

We need
Love and peace
Love and peace

Lay down
Lay down your guns
All your daughters of Zion
All your Abraham sons
I don't know if I can make it
I'm not easy on my knees
Here's my heart and you can break it
I need some release, release, release

We need
Love and peace
Love and peace

Baby don't fight
We can talk this thing through
It's not a big problem
It's just me and you
You can call or I'll phone
The TV is still on
But the sound is turned down
And the troops on the ground
Are about to dig in

And I wonder where is the love?
Where is the love?
Where is the love?
Where is the love?
Love and peace

Spinnaker

One word: weight training
LOL

Anyone else cry everytime they hear "Beautiful Day?"

DiAnne,
I have Beautiful Day on a Kerry playlist on my ipod along with a bunch of the other music associated with his campaign. I haven't been able to steel myself to listen to it since election day. When I'm ready for a good sobfest, I'll play the whole darn playlist. It's sad to even think about how hopeful I used to be when I played that constantly.

Steve Earle, or Joan Baez - this never fails to capture the feeling

I watched 3 well educated looking middle eastern guys play backgammon tonight in a bakery & pretended I was in Paris. Tom Waits was playing & my son told me that the bakers who work around the clock have a 100 CD changer in the back that is completely full of mariachi music.

Christmas in Washington

It’s Christmastime in Washington
The Democrats rehearsed
Gettin’ into gear for four more years
Things not gettin’ worse

The Republicans drink whiskey neat
And thanked their lucky stars
They said, ’he cannot seek another term
They’ll be no more FDRs’

I sat home in Tennessee
Staring at the screen
With an uneasy feeling in my chest
And I’m wonderin’ what it means

So come back Woody Guthrie
Come back to us now
Tear your eyes from paradise
And rise again somehow

If you run into Jesus
Maybe he can help you out
Come back Woody Guthrie to us now

I followed in your footsteps once
Back in my travelin’ days
Somewhere I failed to find your trail
Now I’m stumblin’ through the haze

But there’s killers on the highway now
And a man can’t get around
So I sold my soul for wheels that roll
Now I’m stuck here in this town

There’s foxes in the hen house
Cows out in the corn
The unions have been busted
Their proud red banners torn

To listen to the radio
You’d think that all was well
But you and me and Cisco know
It’s going straight to hell

So come back, Emma Goldman
Rise up, old Joe Hill
The barracades are goin’ up
They cannot break our will

Come Martin Luther King
We’re marching into selma
As the bells of freedom ring

Muse

I played it by accident as it was up next on iTunes after I downloaded the U2

Posted by: on.to.victory4Dems at February 12, 2005 11:07 PM

Kent Conrad is one of the Democratic Senators being targeted by Bush on SS. In fact, Conrad's state, North Dakota, was the first stop on Bush's stump tour on SS. The AP report on Bush's speech in Fargo also gave an indication of how Conrad feels about Bush’s "plan" for SS:

"You take what the president said in his address last night, he's talking about more tax cuts, more spending, more borrowing for private accounts," Kent Conrad, D-N.D., said in a telephone interview. "It doesn't add up."

Conrad said at least five Republican senators have approached him in the last 10 days looking to form a bipartisan group that can offer an alternative to the president's politically risky proposal.

"The plan that's been outlined, they know it can't pass," Conrad said.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=3&u=/ap/20050203/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

Catching SNL late on the west coast, saw a "Weekend Update" segment in which Tina Fey and Amy Pohler sang a duet skewering Condi's hawkish statements to the theme from "The Mary Tyler Moore Show." Perhaps funnier to those of us who watched that show, because of the extreme contrast between Condi and the sweet Mary Richards character.

That was followed by Pohler's "news" report on polls showing dems liking Hillary in '08. Pohler: "Democrats say they're looking for a fresh and exciting new way to get their asses handed to them." LOL

DiAnne,

Your plan has failed on the grounds that it clearly has been found to involve more exercise.

I am afraid that any attempt to raise the current ceiling on my exercise program will be met with sever repercussions from my party leadership.

Thank you for your submission.

Spinnaker

I think I am burning calories by being up in the middle of the night looking at Democratic Underground, which is highly unusual behavior for me.

Here is some speculation found therein:

Jeff Gannon worked for Talon News. Talon News and GOPUSA both belong to Bobby Eberle. The members of the board of directors are mostly active GOP Operatives from Texas.

Board member, Richard M. Powell is the Managing Director for Quinn Gillespie & Assoc. LLC.
Gillespie is none other than Ed Gillespie who was on a 'leave of absence' running the RNC for the 2004 Election.

DiAnne,

DU's okay for a heads-up on late-breaking news and front-page topics, but some of the rants in the comments and topics can be hard to take. Overall it's a good site, and Skinner is impresive.

BTW, since you're up, I have to say that I don't have an emotional attachment to Green Day, but I still have the Kerry re-mix of "For What It's Worth" in my car CD player.

On election day I was co-managing a canvassing and "viz" (visibility) staging area, and from 5 AM on I had that CD playing right in front of the door of the building as the vols came and went throughout the day.

It was raining that day (in Columbus, OH), and leaving my car doors open left my car's carpet soaked, but it was worth it. I got a jump-start when the battery died, then kept the car running -- and made a run for gas when fuel got low. But aside from a couple of complaints from those working inside who had to hear it all day, the vols loved it -- they were absolutely pumped.

When I visited D.C. after the election, I saw some Kerry committee staffers who were still talking about how inspiring it was hearing the song blasting at that Ohio staging area on election day.

I can appreciate your affinity for "Beautiful Day." For me, it's our election day song. (And maybe Bruce singing of "no surrender" close behind . . . )

P.S.:

For anyone who hasn't heard it, the song remix of "For What It's Worth" is available, free, on the Light Up the Darkness site at his link (scroll down to "download music"):

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/downloads.htm

This is the VN-era anti-war song dubbed over with statements by John Kerry, JFK, Martin Luther King, Jr., Robert Kennedy, and more.

News from foreign press (UK's The Independent):

Pentagon covers up failure to train and recruit local security forces

Police and army numbers falling far short of projections as post-election violence surges and wait for results drags on

By Andrew Buncombe in Washington, Kim Sengupta in Basra, and Raymond Whitaker in London
13 February 2005

Training of Iraq's security forces, crucial to any exit strategy for Britain and the US, is going so badly that the Pentagon has stopped giving figures for the number of combat-ready indigenous troops, The Independent on Sunday has learned.

Instead, only figures for troops "on hand" are issued. The small number of soldiers, national guardsmen and police capable of operating against the country's bloody insurgency is concealed in an overall total of Iraqis in uniform, which includes raw recruits and police who have gone on duty after as little as three weeks' training. In some cases they have no weapons, body armour or even documents to show they are in the police.

The resulting confusion over numbers has allowed the US administration to claim that it is half-way to meeting the target of training almost 270,000 Iraqi forces, including around 52,000 troops and 135,000 Iraqi policemen. The reality, according to experts, is that there may be as few as 5,000 troops who could be considered combat ready.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=610574

Benson is great today..
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/benson/

This as a LTE to the Az Republic...

Initiatives based on whose 'faith'?

Feb. 13, 2005 12:00 AM

Each time I hear the words "faith-based initiative," I am overcome by a feeling of deep disappointment in my country's leadership.

Do our leaders not realize that the terrorists' attack on the World Trade Center was a "faith-based" initiative"?

Do they not remember that this country was founded on the principle that individuals do not have to follow the same faith as their nation's leader, or president, or king?

Upon whose "faith" are all Americans supposed to base our initiatives? George Bush's?

I, for one, am not comfortable watching as my country's leaders make national and international policies based on the idea that Christ's followers will soon be lifted up in the Rapture, while everyone who never heard of Christ (or does not worship him) goes to hell.

In my mind this is as ludicrous as the "faith" of Osama bin Laden's martyrs, that they will secure places in paradise by killing non-believers in Islam.

I, therefore, propose that we change the expression from "faith-based initiatives" to "fanatic religious policy." Then, once we have named this type of government appropriately, we should promptly abandon it and base our policies and initiatives on a humanitarian view of people, regardless of their religions.

Bit of a double standard? or getting hard up for personnel?
 
Number of Gays Discharged From Services Drops Again

WASHINGTON, Feb. 12 - The Defense Department said Friday that it discharged 653 service members last year for being gay, down 15 percent from 2003. Since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the rate of discharges has dropped nearly 50 percent.

The number of men and women discharged from the military because they were discovered to be gay, or because they revealed their sexuality, has fallen three years in a row, the Pentagon's statistics show. The Pentagon started keeping track of the figures in 1997.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/13/national/13gays.html

Posted by: DiAnne at February 13, 2005 09:53 AM

IMO, if your country's armed forces find you unacceptable because of who you are, the country is NOT worth serving.

Posted by: battlebob at February 13, 2005 07:14 AM

Right on, battlebob! I am with you all the way, as I just declared on another thread that American Christianity as we know it now is no more than a FALSE CULT that deserves to be banished. It's no different, and no less dangerous, than the fanatic Islam that caused 9/11 to happen. Thank you for pointing that out.