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NASA's Real Success
Yesterday, only minutes after NASA' Space Shuttle Discovery lifted off its launch pad, returning the program to manned orbitor flight, NASA announced it was grounding the program indefinetly.
In shocking news, some of the foam insulation (the same problem which doomed the Shuttle Columbia upon re-entry), had once again, fallen off. Fortunately, it fell some forty seconds later than it had on the Shuttle Columbia, which meant that the Shuttle Discovery's critical orbitor wings, were not damaged.
To me, this is a sad moment. I have always loved the wild potential and thrilling sense of infinity that came along with sapce flight, and I remember the national sense of exceitement that President Kennedy generated with his bold promise of putting a man on the moon, over forty years ago now.
But this is also a proud moment. The first reaction of the scientists when they saw that the problems had recurred, was to acknowledge it, take responsibility for it, and make a decision for which they agreed to be held accountable.
I feel proud of them, because they work in an environment in this Bush administration, where scientific facts are altered to suit a political agenda. They persevere, even though they are often doing so in an environment where science is degraded, disregarded and dismissed with a wave of the bible, and where taking responsibility for things that go wrong, huge or minute, is unheard of, no matter how many people get killed or hurt in the process. But these brave scientists, and space industry workers maintain a firm grip on their committment and ethics as scientists, even though it will likely cost them dearly, come budget time.
I feel proud of them because the first thing I read about them this morning, was this:
"We decided it was safe to fly as is," Mr. Parsons said. "Obviously, we were wrong."
The incident occurred two minutes into the launching, at a point where the atmosphere is so thin that the piece drifted away. The Columbia accident occurred in part because the foam fell off the tank about 82 seconds after liftoff, when the air was much thicker and slowed the foam so the climbing orbiter struck it with great force.
N. Wayne Hale, the deputy manager of the shuttle program, said that if the Discovery foam had been shed earlier, "we think that it would have been really bad."
Tense and somber, Mr. Parsons said that he was "disappointed" in the news. Mr. Hale sounded resigned. "We are in the business of flying in space - it's a very difficult business," he said, adding: "It isn't disheartening. It's just the nature of the business."
Others were more dismayed. A NASA engineer who has been involved in the return-to-flight effort said: "It's an ugly story. It's a mess." The engineer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the issues involved, added, "Everyone's really, really disappointed," but continued: "It is what it is. Physics doesn't lie."
Failure is a natural part of where you set down and pick up your foot on the path of discovery. Whether it is in scientific discovery or foreign policy discovery or whatever. The nice thing about scientists, is that they accept it, take responsibility, and move forward with what they have learned.
In this administration, accountibility like that that is almost unheard of, and we are all paying the price of repeated mistakes and imperial hubris.
So this morning, we say to the courageous folks at NASA, "Thanks for telling us the truth about the problems. Hang in there. We know you'll get it next time. We got your backs."
God Bless and Godspeed Discovery.
I was trained to be a scientific researcher but never persevered with the "publish or perish" lifestyle, lacking the commitment to make the sacrifice - which it is. Many scientists sleep about 4 hours/night. I worked for people who were so competitive that they plagiarized my signature to get a private grant on top of their federal grants and also faked pilot results. So there really are some without ethics, yet they are now famous in their field, while I use just my clinical training, at lower pay.
I also didn't like what I saw in terms of more input from the military and government into research. Some AIDS grants cannot mention any sex acts in the grant applications. Some R&D in industry has increased from approx. 10% to 0ver 60%. Boeing is local and their military division has increased over their civil stuff. & some of the space missions and projects too may be married to the military in some way.
We'll have a brain drain, like Europe did during WW2, with limits on funding in science, & we already have to "import" to make up for gaps created by our sketcy preparation of students. It won't be long before countries such as South Korea will be announcing new stem cell results, ahead of our curve.
It is great though that they were able to admit a mistake. I noticed that too.
Those NASA engineers will all be getting pink slips in a few days. Employees of the Bush Administration are forbidden to admit failure
They are, however, permitted to fail--it's just that they are permitted to discuss or admit it.
Right on, Cyrano.
I, too, admired very much the candor displayed by NASA immediately after discovering the problem... it's the first shred of open & honest dialogue from anyone on that scale in quite some time.
However, I add the loss of Columbia and the re-grounding of the shuttle fleet to the long list of failures under this administration.
The "Right" Stuff
I've been thinking about this admitting right and wrong thing.
When you're a child, you never admit to wrong doing. Even if the traces of stolen cookie is smeared on your face, you still say, "I didn't do it. I didn't take a cookie." And your parents teach you right from wrong by holding you accountable.
And when you see your parents doing something wrong, which even parents are bound to do, do they say, "I am your parent and I don't make mistakes; I'm never wrong." or do they say, "You're right, I made a mistake and I was wrong to not...."
Which example teaches responsibility better? Which example shows the learning process better?
See...people who think Bush was "strong" for never backing down, just didn't get the point. He showed no learning curve and no self-responsibility. What is to admire in that? To me, it's the same actions a two year old has who has the chocolate smeared from cheek to cheek yet stands there and says, "No mama, I didn't sneak a cookie."
While I fervently hope the astronauts make it back to earth safely, happy and healthy, do you think that release of the story of the foam piece would have made headlines if things were going right for the administration?
It took the focus off of all the investigations going on in DC at the moment.... The leader of the astronauts is a woman this time, and I notice she has gotten some publicity on MSM, too. I have a sneaking suspicion that the administration is desperate to get the focus off of their illegal, immoral, and unethical behavior and they are grabbing at straws to put anything on the front page as long as it isn't a story about them, and about investigations into what they have done to this country since 2000....
And, anyway, with money being siphoned to their war - and to other pieces of pork legislation - how can they really afford the cost of going into space... except as a momentary diversion away from their "secret" activities and back room "deals" that only increase the tax burden and enrich the administration's cronies...?
Brief memo to the Dem legislators: Stop making pork barrel deals and do the right thing by the American people for a change.... If what you want passed in the House or the Senate is good for the American people as a whole, any bills you introduce will stand on their own merits and no deals will need to be made.....
Tancredo should be the face of the Republican Party, an out of control lonney.
Anti-immigration Rep. Tancredo hints at presidential run
Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colorado: "Unless I misread the political tea leaves, there is a great deal of support for what I say."
GOP
Denver (Colorado)
Tom Tancredo
or Create Your Own
Manage Alerts | What Is This? DENVER (AP) -- Tom Tancredo has been called a one-trick pony of a politician, a man out of step with his party, a bigot.
The Republican congressman vehemently opposes illegal immigration, and he created an uproar last week when he talked about nuking Muslim holy sites.
No matter, Tancredo is pressing on and even hinting at a long-shot presidential bid in 2008.
Tancredo has already visited New Hampshire and Iowa this year, and says he found a welcome audience among voters who are fed up with the nation's immigration policies, including proposals by President Bush.
Ira,
Tancredo might run, but he isn't going to get the nomination. More's the pity. I hope that everyone who is portrayed as a 'republican hopeful' actually does run. As many as possible, so we can all enjoy them eating each other alive. They would have to 'out-fundy' each other to please that faction, no? And, as of yet, I see no clear annointment from W. Do we have any idea who he favors? I've always been given to the notion that him and the treasonaires are looking for a way not to have to leave at all, but that's just my 'alcoa sombrero' showing. Won't all the rubber stamps be pissed if Jebby jumps in?
Won't all the rubber stamps be pissed if Jebby jumps in?
Posted by: tutterfly at July 28, 2005 11:20 AM
LOL
Hilarious visual..
Posted by: tutterfly at July 28, 2005 11:20 AM
And on that sartorial note about hats, let's talk about flip-flops...Two days ago your "favorite" senator said he wouldn't run for pres, but now he says he might... I'm with you -- the more, the merrier...
Picked this up on DU, it's from a Oliver Willis:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
"Again putting the liberal media meme to death, right-wing loon Ann Coulter explains to fellow winger Brent Bozell on the 7/26 Sean Hannity Show that Bush should appoint a more extreme Judge than Roberts to the Supreme Court because “we have the media now”. "
Truth from Coulter?
...naw...
tutter: Tancredo is a joke but his whackoness should be portrayed as the Face of the New Republican Party.
Today Chris Bell formally announces his candidacy for Governor of Texas. I will ask permission from their office to post his annoucement statement here.
Click here to see Bell's announcement: http://www.ChrisBell.com
Our state legislature is currently in chaos and meltdown over so called School Finance Reform in their second wasted special session which is about to collapse. Our Republican state legislators are now 'voting against their own school finance reform legislation.' Really,that is not a joke.
Bell would be a breath of fresh air.
posting whole thing, only because it's a real pain to sign up. so we are somewhere between 'it's not my intention and not totally ruling it out' interesting......
I was against running for president before I was for it???????????
In shift, Santorum not totally closing door to an '08 run
While he said a White House bid would require "a strange, remote set of circumstances," he was not ruling it out.
By Steve Goldstein
Inquirer Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON - Just when he seemed to take himself out, he pulled himself back in.
After saying Monday in an online chat with a newspaper's Web site that his intention was not to run for president in 2008, Sen. Rick Santorum (R., Pa.) yesterday said he would not completely rule out the possibility.
"The reason I leave this little window open is because I have no idea what's going to happen between now and 31/2 years from now," Santorum said in a breakfast meeting with reporters.
Santorum, who is facing reelection next year, said it would take "a strange, remote set of circumstances" to alter his plan not to be a candidate for the GOP nomination for the White House.
"It would be easier for me to say no, absolutely, positively under no circumstances, but in my mind that wouldn't be honest," he said.
Santorum, 47, said he was not shying away from a 2008 candidacy because it might negatively affect his Senate race against the likely Democratic nominee, State Treasurer Robert P. Casey.
"Given the race that I'm in and will be for the next 15 months and certainly the impact that has on my family," he explained, "the idea of turning around and launching into a two-year campaign for the presidency is something that, at this point, is beyond my ability to fathom."
As chairman of his party's Senate caucus, Santorum is the third-ranking Republican in the leadership. He said he planned to run next year for whip, the No. 2 position.
During the interview, the two-term lawmaker said that the potential appointment of Supreme Court justices who share his opposition to same-sex marriage would not alter his desire for a constitutional amendment banning such unions. He also said that a request for examination of nominee John G. Roberts Jr.'s tax returns seemed "a little bit voyeuristic."
Speaking about his new book, It Takes a Family, Santorum was asked if a belief in the theory of evolution can coexist with religious faith. Many evangelical Christians believe in the theory of intelligent design, which argues that certain features of the universe and living things are best explained by an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as evolution.
Santorum said there was an inconsistency between faith and the idea "that we're basically... just a random act, that that's how we're all here."
Faith "does not teach us that we are random acts of chance," he said.
The senator stressed that he does not advocate the teaching of intelligent design in the classroom.
On the issue of the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would ban homosexual unions, Santorum said he would continue to support passage whether or not newly appointed Supreme Court justices might ultimately rule against same-sex marriage.
"I think it's a good idea to go through the democratic process in doing something that you think is important for the country, as opposed to sitting back and letting the courts and the swings in the courts make a decision as to which direction the country is going to take," he said.
"The issue is important enough that we speak on it, and we shouldn't wait to see what justice dies or lives to determine whether we're going to actually do something that we believe is right," he added.
Santorum also addressed a report that the White House was balking at releasing full income-tax returns for Roberts.
"I think it tends to be a little bit voyeuristic," the senator said. "There are certain things, certain little details of everybody's life that I'm not too sure that everybody needs to know, that provides any great insight as to their character or their ability to do their job, but does have something to do with their privacy and their dignity."
Santorum said a financial disclosure statement, similar to what is required of members of Congress, should be sufficient.
This is an excellent post by a truckdriver (again, over at DU) who has an answer for what ails the Democratic Party. I urge everyone to go over and read it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
Posted by FredStembottom
Added to homepage Wed Jul 27th 2005, 04:11 PM ET
This is angry. I am yelling. But I am a white, male truckdriver.......
And I have been reading pages and pages here today about the DNC and the DLC and I want to tell you why I am so opposed to the direction the DLC has taken the Party in the last 20 years.
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My message is simple: talk about worker's rights. Unionizing, outsourcing (especially outsourcing!), management cheating (we have ALL been cheated out of portions of our wages by innumerable statistical tricks). SPEAK OF THEM and blue-collar men go absolutely NUTS with recognition of the problems! Followed 5 minutes later with the most intense hunger to do something about it all that you have ever witnessed.
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We are not dumb asses down here on the loading docks of America! Everyone can recognize when they are being ripped off. But what is long gone down here - LOOOOONNGGGG gone - is a Democratic Party that helps us know our rights - or even WANTS us. And what IS here is a Republican Party that DOES want us.
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Seriously. Go read it. A light will go on in your head.
Is that what Santorum said when they examined Zoe Baird's tax return, tutter? Although I believe Santorum wasn't in the Senate at the time, I am sure other Republican hypocrites are making similar comments today.
"a little bit voyeuristic."
If Roberts is tuly the best thing since slised bread then why doesn't W just lay all of his cards on the table? I know that is a rhetorical question but since he is so sure of this nomination why play this game. In a sense this gamesmanship works against Robert's confirmation interest.If there is truly nothing there why try and hide these documents?
I had this little running dialogue in my head a while back about all the Republicans who are supposed to be 08 hopefuls. I looked and looked at everyone who is supposedly the hopeful of hopefuls, as it were.
McCain will get for not being conservative enough. He won't go for a no gay marriage amendment. He isn't pro-life enough. No fundies for you!!!!
Frist has no personality, Schaivo debacle will keep away moderates, and attract fundies.
Santorum will spilt the fundy faction if he gets in.
Allen is too unknown, not too smart, and can't attract a following.
Romney is after fundies, all fundies and nothing else but fundies.
Tancredo is nuts.
Pataki would try to own 9-11, pretty much, but is there anything else he would own?
Ghouly Rudy also would want to be the 9-11 hero. What kind of war would that be with Pataki?
Ahnold can't run. (sniff, sniff, boohoo)
Jebby could run on the 'furthering the global struggle against violent extremism' started by his bro. Lets call it the 'resolute, never wrong, family values, moral, compassionate conservative train rolls on' candidacy.
Who else do any of you know of that seem to be floating out there on the 'hopeful' fringe?
Governor Huckabee
One mother's war: Mother seeking support cursed at for questioning war; Son escaped suicide bomb
by John Byrne
Marsha Walker’s son survived a suicide bomb in Iraq.
Her daughter spent a year in Kuwait last year, and her father is a former Marine reservist. She’s part of a military family; she and her sister went into criminal justice because their father dissuaded them from a military career. Marsha is a Blue Star mother, meaning a mother whose son is serving overseas.
So it came as a bit of a surprise when an email exchange with her local Blue Star chapter concluded with an expletive: “fuckoff.”
The Ohio mom had contacted her local chapter after coming across their website earlier this month. It’s a plain, bright page, one that doesn’t stand out at first glance.
But there was something that caught her eye: an animated montage of planes hitting the World Trade Center and the resulting aftermath. In one image, a man in a bloodstained shirt teeters on the verge of collapse, in another, a panicked crowd looks on in horror. None of the photographs reference current U.S. military operations in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Beneath the graphic is a live clock: “War was declared on the United States of America, 1,414 days, 15 hours, 49 minutes and 12 seconds ago,” referring to the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
“They’re trying to make a connection between Iraq and 9/11,” she asserts. “I guess that’s supposed to make parents feel better in some way but only the uninformed ones–because if you’re informed, it infuriates you.”
After seeing the site, which was taken down after an inquiry by RAW STORY, she dispatched an email.
Hello. I am a blue star mom of two reservist soldiers. My 20-year-old-son is “Soldier of the Month” and has been awarded the Purple Heart. He is a reservist with the Ohio National Guard.
“I am not a “Spartan mother” and I feel no need to sacrifice my children’s lives for this war. People willing to give their children’s lives for the war in Iraq are grossly misinformed, and I question their love for their children and their country...
“I do not see any reference to groups that many blue and gold star families may not be aware of. I realize you are not a political organization, but I am not going to stand by idle, wearing a pin, while my son’s life and other soldier’s lives continue to be misused for a cause that is not reality based. 9/11 had NOTHING to do with Iraq or Saddam-your website, much like this President’s talking points do not balance with the truth of this situation. Please give your members something besides more hand wringing and a pin to wear.”
“...Military personnel have sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution, not an allegiance to this President-whose own mother, of course, did not have to endure being a “blue star” mom for a similar senseless war. This war is illegal, goes against the Constitution….a person of my background does NOT make these accusations lightly.”
Marsha says she felt an obligation to correct misinformation on the site. Just four months before, her son Chris was part of a convoy outside Baghdad ambushed by a suicide bomber.
“I had just come home from protesting the war, in March,” she recalls. “When I heard that my son had been injured, I called to get the details.”
An officer fielded the call.
“I said, ‘It seems awfully ironic that I’m just coming home from a protest,’” she says. “And he said, ‘Yes ma’am.’ I said, ‘I think it’s pretty ironic, don’t you,’ and he said, ‘Yes ma’am, I’m sorry I do.’”
“It was mostly cuts and abrasions,” she adds. “The others were more injured than my son.”
Two hours after her email came this anonymous reply.
“Facts? Where are yours?
“Im sorry to hear you dont support the career choices your sons have made, it must make them feel good about themselves that momma doesnt [sic] give a rats ass about them . Maybe you should go join up Code Pinko at Walter Reed Medical Center they are there every Friday jeering our wounded troops.
“Bush's Mother did indeed have to endure being a Blue Star Mother, or have you forgotten all of John Kerry's accusations of him ditching his service during Vietnam, which was proven false he did serve his full time. You do not have to wring your hands and wear a pin to be recognized as a Blue Star Mother, we honor all members of the US Military.
“Illegal war? Congress voted overwhelming to go to war in Iraq.
“We are not obligated to link to any other website other than those we feel fit to link to, don't like it start your own website...
“The Democrats in Congress speak out of both sides of there [sic] mouths Bush lied about WMD yet when their man was in charge these were there responses.”
The email listed roughly a dozen quotes from leading progressive politicians who believed Iraq had or was pursuing weapons of mass destruction. They indicate Democrats believed Iraq’s weapons program posed a grave threat and were serious about eliminating it, but the context suggested Democrats had sought to start a war with equal fervor as President Bush.
more... http://rawstory.com/news/2005/one_mothers_war_ohio_728
Pakistan Connection Seen in Taliban's New Tactics
By Paul Watson, Times Staff Writer
ASADABAD, Afghanistan — Telephone and power lines haven't reached the villages clinging to the craggy mountainsides of Kunar province. Digital phones and computer chips are even further beyond the shepherds' imaginations.
So when sophisticated bombs detonated by long-range cordless phones began blowing up under U.S. and Afghan military vehicles on mountain tracks, investigators knew they had to search elsewhere for the masterminds.
Afghan officials immediately focused on nearby Pakistan and its military, whose Inter-Services Intelligence agency helped create the Taliban in the early 1990s and provided training and equipment to help the Muslim extremists win control over most of the country.
Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf joined the Bush administration's war on terrorism and publicly turned against the Taliban immediately after the Sept. 11 attacks. But Afghan officials allege that Taliban and allied fighters who fled to Pakistan after the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001 are learning new, more lethal tactics from the Pakistani military at numerous training bases.
"Pakistan is lying," said Lt. Sayed Anwar, acting head of Afghanistan's counter-terrorism department. "We have very correct reports from their areas. We have our intelligence agents inside Pakistan's border as well.
"If Pakistan tells the truth, the problems will stop in Afghanistan. They say they are friends of Americans, and yet they order these people to kill Americans."
At least 38 U.S. troops have died from hostile fire in Afghanistan this year, higher than the annual combat death toll for any year since the invasion.
Musharraf has denied that his military supports the Taliban or any other Afghan insurgents and the Bush administration and U.S. military spokesmen continue to praise Pakistan's role in combating terrorism.
more... http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pakban28jul28,0,1838806.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Posted by: Amy at July 28, 2005 12:47 PM
Amy,
That's what Jesse Jackson and the labor folks were talking about at the Rainbow Push conference in Chicago.
They want labor, peace groups, and voting rights as well as all progressives to march in Atlanta August to take those issues to the South. With unity between labor and progressives they feel they'll have a non-beatable message.
Remember during the campaign when the big question was, "Who will keep us safer"???
Americans say big terrorist attack is likely: poll
Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:07 PM ET
By John Parry
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Eighty-five percent of American voters believe a terrorist attack causing many deaths is likely to occur soon somewhere in the United States, a poll released on Thursday said.
The Quinnipiac University poll of 920 registered U.S. voters across the country asked how likely people felt "that in the near future there will be a terrorist attack in the United States causing large numbers of lives to be lost?"
Of those polled, 40 percent said such a scenario was "very likely" while 45 percent said it was "somewhat likely."
The poll also showed that 64 percent of Americans wanted Washington to distribute federal security funds based on risk of attack rather than population, as it does now.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg and other New York officials have long complained that Washington has not given New York enough cash to help the city protect itself from another attack.
New York has been on high alert since the Sept. 11, 2001, hijacked plane attacks which felled the World Trade Center twin towers and killed nearly 3,000 people.
The current federal security funding formula means rural areas with few obvious targets often receive far more cash per capita than high-risk areas such as New York. Wyoming receives seven times as much money per capita as New York.
http://tinyurl.com/dxjek
Posted by: tutterfly at July 28, 2005 01:01 PM
Tutter - God forbid, but I didn't see the worst of them all - Big Dick Cheney - on your list.
Lord help us!
{{{ The Federalist Society sounds like it's right of the far right.... really extremist! What Ivins has to say about the Federalist Society is not encouraging....}}}
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072805K.shtml
John Roberts and the Federalist Society
By Molly Ivins
Excerpt:
Cornyn, who I would have sworn is not this stupid, apparently signed off on having the nominee "forget" he was a member of the Federalist Society, and Roberts obliged, which is strange considering his reputation for brilliance and a spectacular memory.
Memos Expose Roberts as Further Right than Reaganites
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072805Y.shtml
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/12230971.htm
U.S. SUPREME COURT
Roberts had larger 2000 recount role
The role of U.S. Supreme Court nominee John Roberts in the 2000 election aftermath in Florida was larger than has been reported. Roberts helped prepare the Supreme Court case.
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/supreme_court
Dems Warn of Delay in Roberts Confirmation
AP
WASHINGTON - In the eight days since President Bush nominated John Roberts to the Supreme Court, senators have fought more over access to the conservative judge's legal writings than over the candidate himself. Even though no Democrat has announced plans to oppose Roberts' confirmation, Senate Judiciary Committee Democrats are digging in their heels on getting access to Roberts' paperwork from his time in the solicitor general's office. They say the Bush administration's withholding of those documents may cause a delay in getting Roberts confirmed to the seat being vacated by retiring Sandra Day O'Connor.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-roberts28jul28,1,7761191.story
Struggle Over Access to Roberts' Memos Intensifies
The White House, citing attorney-client privilege, stands firm. Senate Democrats press harder, saying they need to review the information
More on Pending Energy Bill:
Heritage Foundations spokesperson Allison Fraser said on CNBC this morning that the pending energy bill is "appallingly expensive and an outrage". She went on to say its "pork layered upon pork". It was referred to by Energy Independent Foundations spokesperson Bill Pringle as " the no oil lobbyist left behind " bill. He stated there are absolutely no changes in CAFE standards. Ms. Fraser also mentioned that there is a provision in the energy bill authorizing exEnron executives to be put in charge of W's building of a clean coal (what a joke) plant in Wyoming.
There are also outrageous give a ways for Ethanol and Unproductive Hydrogen plants to be built even though no scientist has proven their worthiness yet.
She also mentioned that this bill makes us no less dependent on foreign oil or relief for families to put food on their tables.
Pringle stated that Joe Barton's promised 1 million barrel per day savings will be far less than 100,000 barrel savings in 5 years.
I urge all of us especially in Red States to call their Republican respresentatives and remind them that the Heritage Foundation and Allision Fraser, their spokewmomen do not want to see this sham bill passed.
I just don't see Dean and Clinton as enemies.
Whoever said "Just swish it around in your mouth for a while" or whatever it was regarding a possible Hillary candidacy should be writing speeches for Dems.
I've read all sorts of things about how good she'd be and how bad she'd be, and nothing touched me the way that phrase, really the whole post on the previous thread, did. Who posted that? OK, I'm being lazy, but in my defense, I've got dail-up and it's really acting up this morning! Honest!
Anyway, (this is more conversational than I usually get in print, I know...) that post was a real show stopper. All those facts about women in America... and then, "taste it."
I'll vote for any Dem. Biden, Clinton, Kerry, heck - Tom Dick OR Harry will do, just as long as he's not a Republican.
But - I've swished it around a little, tasted it, savored it... Oooo, I like it. I like it a lot.
Posted by: Amy at July 27, 2005 03:03 PM
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I wrote it amy, and i apologize for not being able to post (or catch-up on posts) as regularly as i would like.
I also want to admit what I did wrong.
I have been working hard on my business in Hawaii since kerry lost. Partly to keep up my own mental health because of the overwhelming need to sink into depression...
So when i stuck my head back into the political blog online world again (i have been very connected locally and c-span-ally:)news wise BUT
after going back and being re-educated by tutterfly about this dnc and dlc SPLIT...
i wonder...
i am pretty smart, and if i didn't pick this up
imagine how many more are not getting it.
so instead of going into the differences between the two...
(all i know is, there are regulars on the dnc blog that are driving away serious democrats every moment of everyday)
(i do not even know where the dlc is? i know amy i haven't read the post before this one on this very issue, i will)
my point:
if ordinary folks don't realize there is some sort of democratic party? split...
how will we ever come together any-where, on any-thing-one??
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there is so much more i want to discuss about all of this...
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But if i could come on 'a blog' post an innocent...
"what about hillary"
(on this blog get respectful but, 'no's reply's' but only tutter going into it far enough to educate me)
(on the DNC blog... get 'f****** bi*%#!' and
'who the 'f----' are you' get the 'f---' off,' troll stuff)
(looked earlier and couldn't find a blog on hillary's personal site, probably a good thing if she has 'split'? from the DNC)
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Faith O'Neill's (that's me) first and foremost desire is to be involved in the People's (that's you and i) Democracy...
just tell me where it is and i will sign-up.
i still do think the post 'amy referenced'
which was my initial hillary (innocent) post)
is a good, if uninformed post!
posted really at 12:40pm Hawaii time
be back later to read your answers, lunch over;)
oh and this...
Think it's pretty interesting when ordinary astrology is referencing politics like this...
(he's syndicated in alot of US papers and mags!)
for this week...
TAURUS (April 20-May 20): As Deputy Defense Secretary, Paul Wolfowitz was a key part of the team that planned America's invasion of Iraq in 2003. These days he's got a new gig, President of the World Bank, and prefers not to be distracted by the Downing Street memo and other ever-growing evidence that the war was built on faulty and deceitful assumptions. "There will be a time and place to talk about history," he has said,"but I really don't believe it's now." Wolfowitz should be your anti-role model in the coming week,Taurus. This is the time and this is the place for you to talk and think about your own personal history in exhaustive detail.
http://www.freewillastrology.com
W's new Global War Against "Extremists".
Does that mean that he has declared war against the Republican party?
I urge all bloggers to check out the hackettforcongress.com site today. His special election is coming up next week.
He can use our help,amy,tutter,indy,Dianne,NonnyO,carol,sparrow,suz,casey,etc.,etc. etc.
A Message from Paul
This is a crucial time for America. The issues we now face and how they’re resolved will have a lasting impact on us, and our children.
I’m running for Congress because I know I can make a difference in Washington. I grew up right here in southern Ohio, steeped in our American values. Now I’m raising a family here. I understand what’s at stake for my neighbors and people all across America. I won’t sit on the sidelines and watch politics as usual take us in the wrong direction.
hackettforcongress.com
monkey,defarge,oncall,amy,notmypresident,linda,vana,faith1 and all others at this site, 'Please' email the hackettforcongress.com site to all of your political activists friends(like a chain letter) with your outlook address book, for the next 4 days and tell them that an Ohio soldier needs our help to Help Clean Up Congress.
Posted by: Ira at July 28, 2005 07:43 PM
Will do, Ira. I even know people who live in Ohio. Thanks for the call to action.