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Roberts Confirmed


It's official.

John Roberts has been confirmed as Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court on a standing roll call vote.

UPDATE: Final Vote, 78-23.

The Roberts Court begins.

51 Comments

Ira said:

Lets all pray that Roberts is the reasonable judicial person he testified to.

Ira said:

"[T]he growing number of ethics allegations in the party's ranks makes it more likely that moderate or vulnerable Republicans will try to demonstrate their independence from Republican leaders and President Bush" — "several Republican lobbyists" in the Wall Street Journal.

I hope that Senator Lincoln Chaffee is not allowed this latitude.

Anyone know if there is a way to track possible Kilgore contributions from Tom DeLay?

monkey said:

Amen Ira.

Dear Mr. Roberts,

Congratulations. For now you get marginal benefit of the doubt, but we'll be watching you, like a REAL hawk, not those pastel yellow one's you hang out with.

Amy said:

I pray that those Dems who voted for Roberts did their homework. It must have been a very difficult decision for all of them. Let's hope that this legacy of Bush Jr will be the one that stands out as not devastating for our country.

DiAnne said:

Amy
welcome back - how is your garden

anyone like r and b :: gotta promote the work of this guy who escaped massacre in Rwanda

http://www.corneille.mu

from Elizabeth in Seattle who was in DC
from Bradblog

Well ... we are back home - working on the last few articles about our trip to DC. While I try to make coherent sense out of the notes I took, here's the last interview. Stan Goff's essay The Butterfly Effect -- Katrina and Occupation helped me to see that we are all living under occupation.

1. What caused you to become an activist and when was this?

My first activism was being thrown out of high school in my junior year for refusing to cut my hair. Not a huge issue, and ironically I ended up in the army not long after. Then a lot of things interrupted that so-called activism - which was unfocused rebelliousness - like the military, chemical dependency, a psychotic marriage, stuff like that.

Seriously, however, the military was a direct, if lengthy, route into political work for me. My experience as a kind of globetrotting tool for imperialism was my education and informs everything I think and do now. How could it not? I often wonder if I had not been in the military if I might have ended up being a libertarian or a drug dealer or something.
I had doubts and role conflicts all through my career, but that is really no different then anyone else who is partially awake. There is a tendency to be drawn into notions of the military as more unique than it is. People who work for IBM or Citibank or Food Lion probably experience role conflicts, too. Our notions of basic morality are in deep conflict with the necessities of our daily lives in a patriarchal and imperialist society.

But Haiti was the straw that finally broke the proverbial camel's back for me. I was in such close and sustained contact with the population during that invasion, without a little artificial American refuge, that I couldn't find any respite from the contradictions. When I came back, I sought out political people and began my more conscious activism then.

2. What compelled you to write The Butterfly Effect - Katrina and Occupation?

Love and rage, to steal a phrase. I was already so busy I could hardly see straight, and I was telling myself that I would not get drawn into writing anything about this -- that plenty of people would see the system clearly with the mask ripped off as it was. Then I was hypnotically watching the horror unfold on television, when I saw a young African American woman with a child around the same age as my grandson -- maybe two and a half -- and the child was draped over his mother's shoulder lethargically, and she was saying that he hadn't had any water for two days... he was growing more and more lifeless with each passing hour. She was raging and she was loving that child, and found myself unable to escape from the nightmare she was living, unable to separate her from me, her child from my grandchild. So I wrote the piece as an alternative to finding the first lowlife white politician I could identify and running over him with my car.

3. What message would you like every American to hear at this crucial time?

I don't know about every American. But if we are talking about those who had the capacity for outrage, then I want to say that this has been going on all along. That's what the Katrina piece was about. People all around us have been living in hell for a long time, and we are all living in the last stage of imperialism - an age of extermination through debt, disease, poverty, neglect, and war. I want to say that we can not change it through individual effort, and that the time for half-measures is already past. We are living in an age of emergency, and what is at stake is what life will mean for people like that child, like my grandson, like all our children. I want to say that we cannot change what needs changing in time, unless we are willing to go beyond playing by the dominant class's rules. We don't need elections now.

We need much much more. We need general strikes, street blockades, and popular assemblies, but we are not mentally prepared for that yet. I want to say that the clock is ticking, and it has already run out for many. Katrina showed us our future if we don't fight back.

4. Given the chance to address Congress and the administration, what would you say to them?

Go straight to hell. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. With only a handful of exceptions.

5. What do you consider to be the most important problem facing America at this point? Do you have a solution?

There is no hierarchy of problems. They are all interwoven with each other. Capitalism, patriarchy, national oppression. I would be very suspicious of anyone who claimed to have THE solution. Sounds pretty messiah-like to me.

6. Bringing about change in the government through letter writing, signing petitions, and making phone calls is not working. Do you have any thoughts or ideas on ways to accomplish real change?

Learn, teach, organize, and struggle. There is no one size fits all. I am pretty confident, however, of the importance of erasing illusions about electoralism. Elections are only one tiny aspect of struggle, but they have turned into a vortex that sucks up all our resources. I am also confident that the social movements have to get stronger, and that they have to wean themselves from the Internal Revenue Service's non-profit system, which has pluralized us and set us against each other. The other things that remain critically important, and require very hard work, are stopping the imperial occupation, fighting racism and national oppression at home, and struggling against patriarchy.

7. One such idea is for everyone that attends this weekend's rally to stay in Washington until the government is forced to change and bring the troops home, etc. Do you think that idea would work?

It happened. Over a quarter million showed, and it was very important. One thing that happened there were repeated references to the links between Iraq and Katrina. Now we have to go back to our communities and lock in our gains. One thing I would say is that we cannot let Katrina be the flavor-of-the-day issue. We have to unite with those who were most affected, and by that I mean African America. White progressives should feel obliged to do two things: accept local, Black leadership and organize around the priorities set by that leadership. And share resources. Making statements of solidarity is not even close to enough. Organizations like Community Labor United in and around New Orleans deserve our undivided attention and support.

8. Do you have any thoughts or ideas on ways to get the corporate media to get our message out?

The corporate media gets involved when there are fractures within the ruling class. We don't control that dynamic, but we can exploit it. When new questions are raised, as they were around Katrina, we have to be prepared to bypass the capitalist media in innovative ways to take advantage of the breakup of ideological inertia. CNN and MSNBC are asking "What went wrong?" during and after Katrina and Rita. So the political bosses are vulnerable. They are suffering a crisis of legitimacy. Now we have to cite that illegitimacy, expand the question beyond what went wrong to how the system failed the people, and to recite the list of illegitimacy surrounding the war, cronyism, debt, everything. We have to implant some new categories to destabilize earlier ideas about how the system works.

Independent media, and the creative use of the internet are important for this. I hear all the stuff about everyone doesn't have access or skills for the internet, but that is not a reason not to use it. And combine it with printed material, CDs, documentary films, and community-based popular education.

9. Are there any further comments you would like to make?

Thanks.

oncall said:

Score one for George Bush and the neocon ultra right wing conservatives. They outflanked the Democrats with the Robert's nomination. Yet as most of the country was resigned to the fact that Robert's confirmation was inevitable, we have seen the Republican party leaders become the object of significant criminal investigations. As we know, one leader has already been indicted. Another leader has had questionable dealings with his blind trust. Still another leader seems to be the focus of an investigation into treason. How much is America willing to tolerate? Will she allow corruption and cronyism to destroy the middle class-the bedrock of America's strength? Will the middle class ever wake up? Not as long as handsome white men can choke out platitudes which obfuscate their intent and long range goals. America will rue the day that John Roberts was confirmed as Supreme Court justice. The neocon agenda has been evident for decades, and just because he is photogenic and soft spoken, Americans have been duped.

For the life of me, I can't believe that Democrats did not stand in solid opposition to his nomination. Some would say, "Pick your battles." To me this was a critical battle worth taking a principled stand on. Surely Roberts was going to win approval, but does eventual defeat mean that oppostion leaders should not have been more vocal in their concerns and opposition agains Roberts? Not if they are true leaders.

With Roberts'confirmation, I pray that we have not taken an irreversible step leading to the abyss. However when the Attorney General condones torture and the now current Chief Justice does not speak out against that decision I fear for all of ours and our children's future.

Ladytechie said:

Here, thought this was handy, a quick rundown of the vote. And yes I'm calling My Dem Senator just as soon as I hit post. Given the vote Bush will figure he can nominate just about anyone.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9503382/

oncall said:

Mark my words (he says modestly), pornography will be the next Republican wedge issue. The issue had been decided by the Supreme Court in the past, but now with Roberts in control, I am certain we will see this issue rise again. Just in time for 06 and 08. The justice department is now making a concentrated effort to "control pornography" and has advised the FBI of its intentions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091901570.html

Patti Ferschke said:

OT...but,I just found this from "huff post"!

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0928-30.htm

I STILL want JK as my president however ,NOT, while he still believes things are making progress in Iraq!

E/m,call,write his office today!

oncall said:

Posted by: Patti Ferschke at September 29, 2005 01:58 PM

Patti,

Is that entire speech available? If the article is accurate, then things are worse than I imagine.

sparrow said:

Posted by: Patti Ferschke at September 29, 2005 01:58 PM

Patti,

He WENT to Iraq. It seems to me he has a right to decide if things have improved since the last time.

I believe if things in Iraq have made progress, he should let us know BUT if things have made progress and they still suck, then we have the right to know that too.

Also, given whatever questions he is looking at, he may see some improvement.

What is...is! And since I'm not in Iraq, I can not prove that it hasn't improved.

As far as I know, he did not say, "there have been LARGE improvements" but for the well being of those people I sure hope there is indeed some improvement.

I just personally believe ABB would have had much more success than Bushco.

Marjorie G said:

Lovely Patti, it's Arianna going off on another unsubstantiated harangue from the sinister Boston Herald. Remember them? No calls to Kerry's office or any fact-checking. Reported a speech Monday on Iraq, and no such topic mentioned.

This is why our anti-war movement can't have our electeds at any of their rallies, because they are passionate but misinformed and still into blame. We need everywhere awake, determined and mindful that we, as activits, need to push the envelope, but aware of the larger realities.

Ira said:

Did anyone bother to read the entire context of what JK was saying or are would we rather pick and choose his words like Rove, to clip his comments and find something to attack.
Sounds to me like he is finding justification for bringing the troops back. Somehow I thought that was what we all wanted.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with that but I have never been an antiwar purist. Just want the troops home alive, sooner rather than later, don't care what the justification is.

This is a positive and important part of what JK said:

"The only way we're going to be successful there – and ultimately, success is going to have to be somewhat redefined – is to create sufficient stability to get the troops home.''

DiAnne said:

Yeah it sucks

But please tell me what party Arianna Huffington ran under against Arnold

hint - not Demo or Republican

Then how many elections in US have been won by a member of a third party

It is the fault of the American People

I am watching cajuns in Louisiana with their cows then big fire in LA then how many deaths in Iraq

I can see more news on foreign tv than in my own country

Andrees daughter stayed in Texas and returned to say people dont have any idea what is going on outside the US

Since I have been here I feel much more informed even though my language is English

There is no comparison - Im talking about media and about voting systems

Even local news includes international news

Terror attacks are actually pre empted all the time not just talked about with no plan

where in the HELL is our tax money going

DiAnne said:

Arianna can be good

At other times she is as self promoting as that drag queen Anne Coulter

US will have a viable left when the Republicans no longer hold a majority in all 3 branches of government and until we have
separation of church of state a free media and honest elections

Until then alot of liberal ideas that idealistically are sound are nothing but pipe dreams

Unless we have a revolution we have to go in small incremental steps - sorry

I dont like it either

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monkey said:

Et tu, JK?

Christy said:

Brace yourselves, this is gonna hurt like hell


JUDGE ORDERS RELEASE OF GHRAIB PHOTOS
Journalist says photos, videos show children being raped

www.rawstory.com

monkey said:

Christy... Brace yourselves, indeed. On so many levels.

Congratulations, America. Nice knowin' ya'.

Wish you were here.

oncall said:

The judge said: "Our nation does not surrender to blackmail, and fear of blackmail is not a legally sufficient argument to prevent us from performing a statutory command. Indeed, the freedoms that we champion are as important to our success in Iraq and Afghanistan as the guns and missiles with which our troops are armed."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050929/ap_on_re_us/detainee_records

Matthew Carnicelli said:

Posted by: Christy at September 29, 2005 02:44 PM

Those photos, coming on the heels of the new torture accusations, are going to be beyond explosive.

oncall said:

Top U.S. General Says Number of Capable Iraqi Battalions Drops to One
Skip directly to the full story.
By Liz Sidoti Associated Press Writer

In June, the Pentagon told lawmakers that three Iraqi battalions were fully trained, equipped and capable of operating independently. On Thursday, Casey said only one battalion is ready.

"It doesn't feel like progress," said Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine.

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGB60MB97EE.html

Christy said:

Monkey.

Yall know I seek out the pics even though I never once wanted too.

I don't know how much more i can take.

Atleast in the death I see there is some comfort of knowing it has come and gone, but ..torture.

I don't want to look anymore.

I just want to sleep without seeing thier faces.

Matthew Carnicelli said:

I would expect that the Federal Government will appeal this ruling all the way to the Supreme Court.

Those photos are one of the reasons that a nation only goes to war when it has to, and not merely when it wants to. War does terrible things to human beings. It brings out our worst instincts. Hence, it is best avoided until all other options have been exhausted.

This war was completely unnecessary. These monsters have soiled the reputation of my country.

oncall said:

Let the games begin:

Oregon Court Overturns Sex-Show Laws

SNIP

Religious conservatives, neighborhood groups and local officials have complained that similar rulings from the high court have led to a thriving sex industry in Oregon.

SNIP

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5310937,00.html

Matthew Carnicelli said:

"The ruling was expected to be appealed, which could delay a release for months.

"ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero called it historic. "While no one wants to see what's on the photos or videos, they will play an essential role in holding our government leaders accountable for the torture that's happened on their watch," he said.

The U.S. attorney's office in Manhattan, which argued the case for the government, did not immediately comment."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/29/abughraib.photos.ap/index.html

Ira said:

Tom DeLay told the Houston Chronicle and the Austin American Statesmam 2 years ago that he was the "creator, advisor and fundraiser for TRMPAC". He met with donors and sent emails recommending contributions to TRMPAC according to the LA Times.
His spin today: That's a separate entity he told Chris Matthews. I had nothing to do with TRMPAC, I had no fidicuiary duties or managment of TRMPAC .

Christy said:

but look at the Judges opinion..he throws down the guantlet to busheviks about the blackmail thing.

It is a very hard argument to overturn. Almost impossible.

Time to call the Pentagon and start asking them to explain it to us. I mean since they cut the main phone line to our congress that is.

Lets call Rummy...

oncall said:

Posted by: Ira at September 29, 2005 03:29 PM

Hoisted on his own petard.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. He will eat his words all the way to the slammer.

Ira said:

Dick Degeurin, DeLay's attorney, says he would like to avoid having his client handcuffed.
Wouldn't that be sweet.
Maybe we could sell seats to that event. I'll start the bidding at $1,000.
Priceless.

monkey said:

UnDeLay! UnDeLay!

Christy said:

i just realized because of Iraq we have now invented a new way to die...

They were 'Freed To Death'

Ira said:

Peter King, conservative Republican from New York, calls the indictment of Tome DeLay the first day of a war against Democrats. I have had it with the likes of King, David Dreier, and Sen. Chaffee who for years have been talking heads for so called moderate Republicans. They have all become Bush apologists and the DNC needs to target those districts for a real challenge.I hope that Howard Dean and Rom Emanuel hear that message.
DeLay and his attorney claim that the Texas law prohibiting corporate contributions to political campaigns is unconstitutional and violates free speech. It was just pointed out that that same law also prohibits labor unions from making political contributions. Don't expect to hear that side of the legal argument from DeLay's legal team.

oncall said:

Posted by: Christy at September 29, 2005 03:45 PM

Christy gives us a new perspective on freedom fries.

monkey said:

Actually, it gives new meaning to the term "Hanging Chads".

Ira said:

Bob Casey on with Ed Schultz today on X-M Radio 165.

DiAnne said:

Freedom fries

mine were with smoked ham and zuchini and gruyere cheese and also duck pate with bread and plenty of wine then dessert with pears

Andrees cooking rocks

I did have Freedom Fries for lunch at Flunch which is French for Dennys

PS If it looks talks votes and smells like a Republican its a Republican

When I get home I ll send a message that is all the punctuation marks I ve omitted while on Europeen keybds

Marjorie G said:

Ira- King of the famous clip-

It's all over but the counting and we do the counting, on Pelosi's video, about the election.

Indy said:

House GOP in turmoil after DeLay indictment
Party leaders in Congress to meet with Bush to plot legislative strategy

Associated Press
Updated: 2:19 p.m. ET Sept. 29, 2005

WASHINGTON - Shadowed by scandal, House Republicans face an uncertain new era after upheaval that left Majority Leader Tom DeLay under indictment and forced to surrender his powerful post.

House and Senate Republican leadership were due at the White House Thursday afternoon to plot legislative strategy with President Bush.

“What we do here is more important than who we are,” Missouri Rep. Roy Blunt said Wednesday after the rank and file named him as DeLay’s replacement, at least for the time being. “We have an agenda to move forward here.”

Democrats, 11 long years in the minority, said the GOP offered nothing of the sort.

DeLay’s indictment marks “the latest example that Republicans in Congress are plagued by a culture of corruption at the expense of the American people,” said Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, the Democratic leader.

Even as DeLay professed his innocence and his lawyers said they hoped to avoid having him handcuffed, fingerprinted and photographed, potential for fresh controversy surfaced.

Payments to alleged co-conspirator
Records on file with the Federal Election Commission show that Blunt’s political action committee has paid roughly $88,000 in fees since 2003 to a consultant facing indictment in Texas in the same case as DeLay.

Keri Ann Hayes, executive director of the Rely on Your Beliefs Fund, said officials of the organization have not discussed whether to end the relationship with the consultant, Jim Ellis, in light of his indictment.

“We haven’t had that conversation,” she said, adding that so far, Ellis’ indictment had no impact on his work.

DeLay’s indictment produced a public show of unity among Republicans and a scarcely concealed outbreak of power politics, at a time when polls show dwindling support for President Bush and the GOP-controlled Congress. Additionally, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist R-Tenn., faces federal investigations into the sale of stock.

House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Blunt and other senior GOP lawmakers said they expected DeLay to be exonerated. “This temporary arrangement will allow us to continue our work until (he) can resume his duties as majority leader,” said Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, the deputy whip who will assume many of Blunt’s old duties in the leadership shuffle.

Other expressions of support were more tempered.

Article Continues...............................

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9531471/

Ellen Beth said:

John Roberts on Legal Brief Writing vial his former colleague David G. Leitch (as quoted in the CBA Record:

"Your brief writing conveys not only your arguments to the court, but it also conveys a sense of your credibility and the care with which you put together your case."

I think he means, he means it when he writes it. I had no reason to doubt that which is why not only all Democrats, but thinking republicans, if any, should have voted no.

Ira said:

This talk of Republican corruption reminds me of an old saying that a fish rots from the head.
And nothing is being said of Plamegate , Coingate, or Taftgate or Anoldgate and his contracts with body building magazine.

Again does anyone know of open secrets.org and how we can trace all of Tom DeLay's dirty money to folks like Peter King, Chaffee and Rick Santorum and perhaps to folks like Kilgore in Va.? We should be yelling and screaming that all of those Republican Congress folks and candidates return their dirty money.

Ira said:

Tom DeLay told the Houston Chronicle on March 10,2004 and the Austin American Statesman, that he was the "creator, advisor and fundraiser for TRMPAC". He met with donors and sent emails recommending contributions to TRMPAC according to the LA Times.

DeLay blames the Austin American Statesman for his indictment.

His spin today: That's not me, its a separate entity he told Chris Matthews. I had nothing to do with TRMPAC, I had no fidicuiary duties or managment of TRMPAC.

Those of us Texas bloggers here who attended the ReDistricting Charade Hearings, are especially delighted with this development from Austin.

Perhaps we can set up a Podcast from the Travis County Courthouse when DeLay's trial begins. Personally I would love to see DeLay handcuffed at the end of a conviction.

Interesting that Tom DeLay who has spent a lifetime bashing trial lawyers has now chosen the top and most respected criminal defense lawyer in the state of Texas to keep him out of the slammer. Somehow he should be made to respresent himself. I guess every skunk is entitled to representation.

Indy said:

I guess every skunk is entitled to representation.

Posted by: Ira at September 29, 2005 04:39 PM

Yes, Constitutionally, entitled to representation before the Court but...

Not Favoratism.

If he did indeed break the law, he needs to pay the consequences.

Indy said:

General says rumors of violence slowed Dome, Convention Center rescues

11:30 AM CDT on Thursday, September 29, 2005

Lee Hancock / Dallas Morning News

NEW ORLEANS – Getting people out of New Orleans in the first chaotic week after Hurricane Katrina slowed significantly after FEMA officials, fearing violence at the Superdome, pulled personnel from the city, said a Louisiana Air National Guard general supervising the shelter and evacuations.

Brig. Gen. Brod Veillon told The Dallas Morning News that the abrupt departure of federal emergency managers and medical crews and the lack of communications in the city forced him to fly across the region in search of buses that had been summoned to the region, then left without orders.

The general said the delay in moving evacuees out of the dome slowed authorities' response when flood victims crowded into the city convention center. There, tens of thousands were stranded for days without food and water.

"We could not have done both of them [evacuations] simultaneously," he said.

Federal Emergency Management Agency officials have defended their response. Marty Bahamonde, a Boston-based official sent to New Orleans two days after Katrina hit, said he and other FEMA workers left the Superdome only after a senior National Guard official warned of possible violence among the frustrated crowd there.

"They said 'we do not want to be responsible for your safety,' " he said. "We knew the buses were there to pick up the people at the Superdome. We knew that that process was beginning. We took the advice of the National Guard."

The hurricane passed over New Orleans on Monday morning. Gen. Veillon and other state Guard leaders arrived at the Superdome that night.

FEMA officials who arrived the next day began planning a bus evacuation as they and Guard leaders scrambled to fly in food and water.

The general said concerns about unrest stemmed from rumors. He said that city police asked for Guard help in restoring order at the convention center on Wednesday – the day before FEMA left the Superdome.

Buses began rolling to the dome Wednesday afternoon to move more than 30,000 evacuees.

But after FEMA officials left the next day, Gen. Veillon said, he had no way to communicate with them and no way to summon the hundreds of other buses that the federal agency had called in to help. Mr. Bahamonde said FEMA representatives returned to the dome after hearing that it was safe to return Friday, but the general said he never saw any of them.

He said FEMA's abrupt departure left Guard officials scrambling to keep the bus evacuation moving. He said he remembered someone from FEMA mentioning that a Texaco truck stop on the interstate near LaPlace, 25 miles outside the city, would be a staging area for incoming bus convoys. He flew there the next morning and found several hundred buses. "Some of them had been waiting [for orders] a day," he said.

He directed those buses to the Superdome and sent 150 school buses he found at a mall on the West Bank to the airport to help with evacuations there.

After the dome evacuation was well in hand, Gen. Veillon said, he sent food to the convention center Friday. On Saturday morning, he said, he dispatched 700 soldiers to the center to maintain order while buses were brought in to begin moving people out. Again, he went to the LaPlace truck stop to summon the convoys, and the civic center was quickly emptied.

"The scope of this and the depth of this was bigger than probably anybody imagined," he said. "It took 2-3 days for the fog of war to clear and for us to define the problems we were dealing with, and how to respond."

"It was never an issue of race," Gen. Veillon said. "It was never an issue of some are gonna get it and some aren't. We were dealt the situation we had. We emptied the dome and then turned around in 24 hours and emptied the convention center.

"I'm glad the National Guard was there," he said. "Because nobody else was."
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http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWL092905general.a5dd93f5.html
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Yes, you finally got there...and not that we fault you that is too FIVE DAYS for you to get their and clear your heads enough to realize that you were not in Iraq.

FEMA bailed.

The Cavalry were FIVE days late.

The Police were overwhelmed.

Take your pick...Iraq or the Gulf Coast of the United States.

As usual...the civillian population paid the price for bad and incompetent leadership.


Ira said:

Just curious if anyone knows what amount of bail that DeLay will be required to post? Perhaps he can call his friend Abramoff to post his bail.
It would be outrageous if he were released on his own personal recognisance.

D said:

listening to D Angelo and watching extensive coverage of the hurricane aftermath still

very comprehensive - there are still European reporters there so no Rove spin

Ira said:

"DeLay's attorneys were working out the details of when the 11-term congressman would return to Texas in hopes of saving him from further embarrassment, they said.

"What we're trying to avoid is Ronnie Earle having him taken down in handcuffs, and fingerprinted and photographed. That's uncalled for and I don't think that's going to happen," said Dick DeGuerin, DeLay's attorney.

Earle, the Travis County district attorney, said it is up to the court to decide how DeLay would be arraigned.

It was not immediately clear whether DeLay would have to go through booking after responding to the summons for arraignment, said his attorney Bill White.

A bond amount would be set beforehand so Delay could immediately pay it and avoid a stay in jail. He also could waive going before a magistrate to have his rights and charges read to him, said Roger Wade, Travis County Sheriff's Office spokesman."

Maybe Indy can keep us posted.

sparrow said:

Posted by: Ira at September 29, 2005 04:23 PM

I made the same suggestion yesterday: that each Republican who accepted any money from Delay's pac needs to return it to the U.S. Treasury towards eliminating the Republican Deficit.

sparrow said:

ta da!!!

New thread!

Casey Morris said:

I made the same suggestion yesterday: that each Republican who accepted any money from Delay's pac needs to return it to the U.S. Treasury towards eliminating the Republican Deficit.

Posted by: sparrow at September 29, 2005 05:34 PM

Sparrow, you were brilliantly precient yesterday, and I regret that I did not move that post to it's own thread the moment I read it. Truly, it should have been it's own thread. And blogwhored around, too. And then googlebombed. It was the exact right idea at the exact right moment, and I am sorry I didn't do more to move it forward with you.

Please smack me upside the head when you see me next.

Indie Liberal said:

Why don't we ask other Dems what are their plans for getting out of Iraq since we would rather believe a GOP newspaper like the Herald instead of hearing straight from the horses mouth. I thought Dems were supposed to be unified, but I guess when it comes to the most visible ones, we choose to eat our own instead.

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