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A Call To Action On Alito
[Editor's Note: I opened my mail this morning and it was full of requests to post on Alito. The first post is a call to action from DCP member Rick Albertson. The second post comes to us from DCP member Barry Schwartz. As some of you may know, Senate Majority Leader Frist has refused Senators time to speak on the floor of the Senate about Alito until January 25 (the day after the scheduled committee vote). In response, Senators are fanning out across America to give speeches urging action against the Alito confirmation. I will reprint a short portion of Senator Edward Kennedy's (D-MA) speech with a link to the full text. The upshot of these posts is clear. ACT NOW.]
CALL NOW
From Rick:
This news alert slash call to action comes direct to you from the fine folks over at Political Cortex. We're reproducing it here body and soul because goshdarnit, fellow DCPeople, this is important stuff and we all need to get on the horn and on the keyboard and make your feelings known before it's too late!
Via Political Cortex
[gently edited to comply with DCP's federal regulations]Alito's not a done deal!
Over at Daily Kos they estimate he no longer has 60 votes!
Let's make sure thatwe are heard: CLICK HERE TO CALL YOUR SENATORS
John Edwards has endorsed this petition for FILIBUSTER
Phone, fax, and email addresses for the Judiciary Committee
People for the American Way has collected over 60,000 signatures to send to the Senate, please add yours: Save the Court Petition
MoveOn.Org's Stop Alito Petition
Democratic Party's Reject Alito Petition
Stop the NRA's Oppose Alito Petition
And while you're at it, sign: Planned Parenthood Petition
NARAL Say "No" On Judge Alito
Human Rights Campaign
National Abortion FederationNational Council of Jewish Women
National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association
National Organization for Women
National Partnership for Women and Families
National Women's Law Center
Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
US Action
From Barry, via WaPo:
It's all in the record.
Law professors at Judge Alito's alma mater, Yale Law School, analyzed more than 400 of his published opinions and concluded: "In the area of civil rights law, Judge Alito consistently has used procedural and evidentiary standards to rule against female, minority, age and disability claimants..."
"In the context of these civil rights cases, Judge Alito seems relatively willing to defer to the claims of employers, the government, over the individuals advancing civil rights claims."
KENNEDY: And other objective observers who have examined Judge Alito's record have reached a similar conclusion. According to an analysis by the respected University of Chicago law professor, Cass Sunstein, said, "when there is a conflict between institutions and individual rights, Judge Alito's dissenting opinions argued against individual rights 84 percent of the time. In almost all of the cases in which Judge Alito dissented in order to reject an individual rights claim, he was sitting on a court with a majority of Republican appointees."
A comprehensive review of Judge Alito's published opinions by Knight-Ridder similarly found that Judge Alito has "seldom sided" with "an employee alleging discrimination" and "almost never found a government search unconstitutional..."
An analysis published by The Washington Post found that "routinely, he defers to government officials and others in positions of authority" and has "very little sympathy for those asserting rights against the government."
In sum, in case after case, Judge Alito's decisions demonstrate a systematic tilt toward the powerful institutions and against individuals attempting to vindicate their rights. He cites a few instances in which he has decided for the little guy, but they are few and far between.
Justice Lewis Powell captured the spirit of America best when he said: "Equal justice under law is not merely a caption on the facade of the Supreme Court building. It is perhaps the most inspiring idea of our society. It is one of the ends for which our entire legal system exists."
In evaluating Supreme Court nominees, there are no more important questions than whether they are dedicated to equal justice under law. Judge Alito is a highly intelligent man, but his record does not show a judge who is willing to enforce the constitutional limitations on executive power when government officials intrude on individual rights.
His record does not show a judge who is open to the claims of vulnerable individuals asking only justice against powerful institutions. His record does not show a judge who upholds the liberty and privacy of citizens seeking to protect their fundamental rights.
His record just does not show a judge who is committed to equal justice under law.
Full text of Senator Kennedy's speech can be found here.
It's clear. The time to act is now.
Blog entry written by Rick Alberson and Barry Schwartz, with contributions by Casey Morris and Suz Krueger.
No wonder Republicans say they have seen nothing to derail the Alito nomination... it displays with razor sharp crispness that Republicans have no regard for the civil rights of every American citizen, or for the rule of law.
marc:
When they say "right", they for dang sure don't mean "correct," or "proper," or "legitimate," or anything other than "me-mine-ours-and-screw-you-too."
impeach 'em all and let their god sort 'em out,
Otter
Just a reminder: We ought to focus calls on Nelson from Nebraska as well.
Right As Rein aka Acid Rein
Short-circuiting legitimate debate between Senators on such an important issue as confirming a new Supreme Court justice whose beliefs and practices are at best unclear is nothing short of a ham-handed, droit-de-seignor attempt to make an end run around democracy on the part of Bill "I Can Tell From The Videotape That She's Conscious" Frist, M.D.
So if your stomach's strong enough to wade through all the blatant bullspit to be found there without bringing up breakfast first... please go at once to Bill Frist's home website at http://frist.senate.gov/ and use the contact info there to write, call, fax, and/or send angry (but still civil) marchers into the lobby of his office, in order to raise such a hue and cry that Frist and his backstage masters will be *forced* to allow legitimate debate on the Senate floor regarding Alito's fitness to serve on the Supreme Court *before* before the up/down vote on his nomination happens on January 24th.
Those powermad greedhead sleazeweasels sitting on the top of the bloated and corrupt Rethuglican food chain absolutely *must* be brought down and brought to justice. And it'll take a village to do it. A progressive, independent, small-d village. (Not for the first time, I deeply regret that they no longer sell hot tar and fathers and lengths of split rail in the corner hardware stores of Washington, DC...)
time to make all-out war upon the GOP-branded axis of evil in the senate and the house,
Otter
the problem is the "rethuglicans" are in control. they will never impeach one of their own. they cover each others backs. even if the dirtiest of the dirty scandals they participate in is brought out against them, all they have to do is go to church and repent, and their moronic base will vote them back in.
Although... if all the powermad greedhead sleazeweasels were to be tarred and feathered and then ridden out of town on a rail, what's left of Washington would barely constitute a small, inconsequential backwater town.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, you understand.
you can have my democratic republic when you pry it from my hot angry fingers,
Otter
called my guys. will call again this afternoon.
Go ahead and filibuster. You'll get nuked, then we won't have any problem confirming as many Scalia's as we can find onto these courts.
Try us.
I am not gonna dignify the above statement with a response. I am going to do what I do with everything who is trying to blow smoke up my rear ignore them.
Has anyone noticed a lot of republicans are mentioning Leiberman as the poster boy for the Democratic Party? It seems to be going a lot like this lately paraphasing here. " Me and Jo Lieberman were talking about just this thing the other day, he agrees blah blah blah. As I told my mom last night when she said something about it, Lieberman is nothing but a Con Republican in Democratic Clothing, he can not even make the claim to being a Conservatice Democrat anymore, he has forgotten his roots and the core beliefs of the party. Actually I believe a lot of Democrats have. They can either remember and win with them or they can continue to let the Republicans define the party and constantly play catch up. One way is the path to winning the other is the path to even more hell.
Again I remind people Liberal means open minded it is not an insult to be called, one even if you arent one.
I called mine as well. Plus I asked them to 'lean' on Nelson as well as 'moderate Republicans.'
I also made sure I used the words, "an extremest who is WAY out of the mainstream".
Following the lead of a suggestion originally made on the Bulldog Manifesto blog ( http://bulldogpolitics.blogspot.com/ ) and further amplified by Liza over at CultureKitchen (http://www.culturekitchen.com ), I am now going to be appending the following signature file to all of my outgoing emails:
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NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection against this save to call for the impeachment of President George W. Bush and Vice-President Richard Cheney for authorizing an illegal policy of warrantless spying on American citizens.
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it may not be much but every little bit helps,
Otter
Interesting that the filibuster and nuke seems to come in mind when the extremest talk about the legal processes of democracy.
Why is it that they want to NUKE democracy?
Why is it that they want to eliminate the three branches of government and have only one executive branch who is accountable to noone?
Why is it that they want to spy on Americans without warrants?
All of those things MAKE us a democracy, yet in their bullying tactics they try to scare us and bully us into giving up the very foundation of what has made America a great place to live.
Posted by: Otter at January 20, 2006 12:32 PM
May I copy-cat that?
Posted by: Otter at January 20, 2006 12:32 PM
I second Sparrow request!!
it might be a good Idea to also warn google users that the goverment wants access to what has been searched for on Google and by whom.
More hide and seek from the NeoCONS. Please recommend this diary.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/20/12150/1863
Oh look, a troll! Hey gutcat...
Y'all rednecks O-reilly watchin' corkscrews sure do like them nukes, dontcha?
Oops, should Iran away, ya big bully?
Come back when ya wanna talk facts or even sense for that matter, ya spy-loving hypocrite.
Dopey Gillis
Otter -- that's really good. So good in fact I'm not even gonna ask your permission but copy it anyway since it's on the www!
Chuck in Doha
April,
Gosh, I guess I can't seek out porn anymore. Except what this regime has done to this country is extremely pornaphrapic!
I guess that's how they'll frame it when they search in my googles.
Posted by: monkey at January 20, 2006 12:46 PM
Thank YOU!! I wanted to do that so bad but thought I would get tossed I am never real sure of the rules here.
Oh, and gutcat... when you and your "kind", and use the word loosely, are in the minority (and quite frankly, I think you and your "kind" already are), I sure hope you don't need to use a filibuster.
Same ol' Neocons... don't like dissent, gonna shoot you instead of talkin' it thru.
Truth hurts, don't it gutfat?
Posted by: April at January 20, 2006 12:48 PM
April,
One rule for dealing with trolls...
chew thoroughly before swallowing their junk.
Posted by: rayd8 at January 20, 2006 12:49 PM
Good point!
Yes, by all means please do feel free to grab that sig file and make it your own, folks. Liza did a rewteak of the Bulldog version and then I tweaked it to my own version, so it's not like I'm gonna send the copyright police after you or anything.
And besides, the more times we keep that impeachment-for-cause meme echoing across the Internet, the better the odds of it catching enough eyeballs to influence the odd citizen here and there.
(And, as we well know, some of those citizens here and there are very odd indeed...)
this president deliberately, flagrantly, arrogantly defied the laws of his country... so deal with it,
Otter
Sparrow,
Remember when dealing with trolls facts seem to confuse them! They are so brainwashed by their hero Rush Drug Addict Limbaugh and the like that the truth actually makes them dizzy its like they have been off their drugs and are going through withdrawl or something.
This one isnt even to bright. The Repulicans might want to Nuke our Democracy but there are elections coming up that put their power into question, if they do this it will be hell on them when another party gets power.
I'm very proud of John Kerry's response to the neoCON smear of Michael Moore. Keep speaking up, JK!
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/01/john-kerry-responds-to-nbcs-chris.html
April,
Courtesy of D.U.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts140.html
Perhaps they know how to keep stealing elections and maybe that's their plan to maintain power.
Posted by: April at January 20, 2006 12:58 PM
But April, the other party can't take control if the current party stays on it's current course of paying for everything it wants, including the owners of those peskyu voting machines.
Silly!
Posted by: rayd8 at January 20, 2006 01:03 PM
Posted by: sparrow at January 20, 2006 01:02 PM
Alls I have to say about this sad commentary on what one party is willing to do to stay in power is repeat the words of our founding fathers.
The Declaration of Independence
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaration_transcript.html
Posted by: rayd8 at January 20, 2006 01:03 PM
Posted by: sparrow at January 20, 2006 01:02 PM
Alls I have to say about this sad commentary on what one party is willing to do to stay in power is repeat the words of our founding fathers.
The Declaration of Independence
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaration_transcript.html
Posted by: April at January 20, 2006 01:18 PM
April,
One side will do anything to win--including ingoring that 'peice of paper'.
And there's a whole bunch of people out here who are apethetic and think that dems and Repubs are both the same--so what difference does it make...?
Posted by: April at January 20, 2006 01:19 PM
Oh...I should add...during the campaign and on the jk blog, I was always impressed by your determination and your ability to make people care.
I'm sure Kerry really won in NC all thanks to you and Denise (o'charlotte)!
Posted by: sparrow at January 20, 2006 01:20 PM
This is the way I look at this, the only thing that has kept Bush and company from being impeached is the fact that he let the special conc. Statute lapse. So if our congressmen and woman want to prove how unworried they are about what Bush and company have done they can vote a bill through with enough votes to overide a veto from said president and appoint another. Alberto, Bush friend is not the right one to be investigating this considering he is the one who told Bush all this was okay and this just sets wrong with me.
As to the voting machine thing what most of us can do is push absentee voting make a copy of our ballots and have it notorized to prove validity I know its a lot of trouble and most people wont want to do this but its the only way to save this country. Also like I have said in the past if Republicans are so sure of no wrong doing then they will push their congressmen and women hard with elections coming up to pass reforms on a host of things to prove their honesty it is past time we make them prove that they truly believe that representation is being honest.
One other thing, your right I have heard tons that people believe they are all the same, its up to our representives to prove them wrong. people want to be proven wrong they just need to see it. This starts with everyone in the Democratic Party and others stopping the Republicans from driving the argument we need one cohesive voice against their policies if that means driving people like Leberman out of our party then so be it!
Still looking for the part that talks about unlimited debate on a Supreme Court nominee. Perhaps you can find it in the Constitution for me.
Too bad every poll I've seen shows Americans supporting Alito. So much for your "Democracy" not wanting Alito. I'm sorry you guys are in the minority, but that's OK. If you surround yourselves with enough socialists, you'll feel like you're in power!
Posted by: April at January 20, 2006 01:30 PM
Leiberman is expected to vote no on Alito but now you have another strayer...Ben Nelson (Nebraska).
Yes, we need a cohesive message and better management of the Democrats (and they need to split up the neoCONS from the Republicans.) And we need people to go out there and MAKE the democrats present a UNIFIED and COMMITTED message to the American people.
Excuse me for cussing but **** the "Compassionate Conservative" meme of the past, Let all those who are truly COMPASSIONATE step up to the plate and make them speak loudly with a big bat and slam the message OUT of the park!
Posted by: sparrow at January 20, 2006 01:22 PM
I know he was close we will never know with all the ballot problems that the national news chose to ignore.
truthfully I think people who were reading the Kerry Blog and not talking were just afraid typos would make them look stupid lol then I came along with my million typos but pure mission and made them brave enough to join the discussion, I have no doubt they were already passionate about the discussion without me :)
Everyone on here and most people on there came off as so intelligent that it scared people. No one wants to look stupid. But you know what I dont care if anyone thinks my typos make me stupid lol, when I have something to say I say it :)
Posted by: gutshot at January 20, 2006 01:34 PM
Interesting gutshot...I bet you searched long and hard to find a poll that actually followed the strict guidelines that a poll should follow.
ie. How many people were polled? What was the makeup of the poll? In other words...how many men, women, young, old, Republican, Democrat? What was the size of the poll? One thousand people or one million people?
Thanks for that bit of worthless information about polls you just posted.
socialists, wow I am impressed with your vocabulary. Where did you learn such big words? By the way moron do you have any idea whatsoever what socialism is? Medicare, Social Security, 401 Ks? which I am sure you want be happy to dismantle.
Oh, gutfat repeated the RepugRush talking point SOOOO well, SOCIALISTS!
Gutfat is a parrot, and filled with yellow feathers.
... and the only polls you look at are the one's you must smack your cro-magnon skull against.
Daily.
Gutless,
Next...regarding the silly "never ending debate" comment, I've decided to educate you about filibusters. Let's start here for your learning moment:
http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2005/03/filiblog_and_fi.html
Everyone on here and most people on there came off as so intelligent that it scared people. No one wants to look stupid. But you know what I dont care if anyone thinks my typos make me stupid lol, when I have something to say I say it :)
Posted by: April at January 20, 2006 01:36 PM
Well, that's what I'm here for too. (haha) I knew there was a reason for all those typos.
Posted by: gutshot at January 20, 2006 01:34 PM
What is about these guys that they feel the need to find places to start trouble?
Has anyone noticed they come around only when they feel in their guts but ignore it that their party is doing somthing wrong? They come to places like this and dont ask real questions but attack and insult, no the constitution does not allow for unlimited debate it does however allow for debate something your party constantly choses to ignore. There are also rules and procedures that make voting in the House when a vote is finally called a timely thing which your people have been ignoring since they got control of the house they have held votes open way past the deadlines so they could strong arm those who dissent from within your own party into voting the way they want them to, yet this is much ignored by you all and the press.
Some people in your party make the claim that Democrats did the same thing when they were in control, yet I have seen no proof when this contention is voiced. I have no doubt that they engaged in simular tactics but I am pretty sure it wasnt to this extent, I would also like to point out Democrats are more prone to decent in their own party, because we believe that everyone has a right to their own opinions sadly this kind of open mindedness is damaging the party, when faced with the one mind and voice mentality of the republican party no matter how wrong that voice might be you all tout your official party lines like a bunch of robots. That is not what this Country was founded on, this country was founded with the idea that everyone had a voice and that voice was spoken through someone they elected to office it is the peoples voices that have been silenced by special interest groups and the Republican Majority, and sadly for you sooner or later the people who are working themselves to death trying to make a living in a large part because of you are going to wake up and make you all listen, I have faith that this will happen.
Gutless...
Gosh, correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't a socialist be the equivalent of a "compassionate conservative"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
That means Bush ran in 2000 as a socialist who then LIED and became a Capitalist after he took oath.
Oh well...just another lie to add to his ever expanding list.
Posted by: sparrow at January 20, 2006 01:54 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^ I taught her that lol
Am now patting myself on the back you go girl :)
Posted by: April at January 20, 2006 01:53 PM
Right on!
Oh, please, folks, let's don't waste any more time or screen real estate even bothering to reply to that Gutless Wonder. Remember what I always used to point out back on the JK blog (when we had a *much* higher class of trolls to deal with, anyway):
Never try to teach a pig to sing.
It wastes your time, and it annoys the pig.
just ignore that fatuous fool and focus on what really matters instead,
Otter
Posted by: April at January 20, 2006 01:56 PM
Oh...I learned a lot from you and MANY of the people on the blog...
I had MORE THAN 50 pages saved of links and articles, and 20 minutes later, I'd find the one to post for the silly little trolls. (In the meantime, I'd come back to the blog and there'd be around 15 posts directed at said idiot troll.)
Go ahead and filibuster. You'll get nuked, then we won't have any problem confirming as many Scalia's as we can find onto these courts.
Try us.
Posted by: gutshot at January 20, 2006 11:52 AM
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Enjoy the chickenhawk show while you can, cuz 2006 will see be the end of the neocon powergrab.
The thing I like best about Republicans is that whenever they're elected, they screw things up so badly that they're not elected again for 30 years...
So by all means, enjoy the time you have left, because you are SO going away in 2006. The few that don't go to prison will be left trying to work out a compromise with the new Democratic majority.
See you at the polls.
Posted by: Otter at January 20, 2006 01:58 PM
Okay Daddy but I love swatting at the flies. But I will behave.
Have you ever noticed that what they do often backfires we get our dander up and kick their butts then we are ready to kick somemore :)
Posted by: sparrow at January 20, 2006 01:59 PM
I know but you got faster :) and better lol
I was just kidding goof.
Go ahead, filibuster. Drag the cots into the Senate, splash (no pun intended) Sen Kennedy's face all over C-Span and see how you like the nuke.
Alito is as good as it gets, can't wait until Stevens retires. It'll be fun to watch the heads explode.
OT but had to pipe in on this:
Here's my e-mail response to CNN on Glenn Beck.
"Glenn Beck must go.
For a network that SHOULD, for credibility, maintain a level of DECENCY and RESPECT for ALL its viewers, I find the purported hiring of Glenn Beck offensive in the extreme.
Your attempt to "appeal" to a broad range of viewpoints on your network by this hiring is a cynical act. By appealing, you are more than offending. You are sending what is left of the once great highground that were the glory days of CNN down the toilet.
Unfortunately, the kind of sludge thinking that Glenn Beck produces could not be adequately or properly cleansed by ANY sewage treatment plant.
Shame."
Hey he brought friends! wow I didnt know Trolls had those! They usually have the everyman for him or helfself mentality. Oh well heartland read all our responses to your little buddy there and then move a long we have more important things to do than deal with you today, we have a Country and our Democracy to save. Tootles
Trolls are back. YAY!!!
I guess they need the win right now because the ethics stench is so fogging up the room they want a breath of fresh air.
Sorry to disappoint. If Frist tries the nuke, they're sealing their own fate when the Congressional majority shifts in 2006 after Americans vote down the bribe-taking COngressional criminals--all entirely Republican, not Democrat.
IMPEACH begins with "I".
hey all, things must be pretty boring at the Republican sites today must be hard to find something to talk about when all your heros break the law in some fashion or another. So going on the attack(its what they have been trained to do when they are in the wrong) seemed like a good idea here is the problem with that it just proves how ugly and mean spirited they are, after all we may be angry but few of us ever go to their sites starting trouble. I guess they missed the fact that this is for education on community action.
hey all, things must be pretty boring at the Republican sites today must be hard to find something to talk about when all your heros break the law in some fashion or another. So going on the attack(its what they have been trained to do when they are in the wrong) seemed like a good idea here is the problem with that it just proves how ugly and mean spirited they are, after all we may be angry but few of us ever go to their sites starting trouble. I guess they missed the fact that this is for education on community action.
Okay that double post shouldnt have happened it told me to try to post again in a minute I did that and it did it double grrrr..
Actually, Fe... you'll notice the timing here:
First, the news breaks that the feddies are using Google and Yahoo searches to track down all those pesky pasty-faced people who use their computers to download porno and pirated software.
Then, bored trolls with no social skills and nothing else left to do with their computers suddenly start showing up here instead.
Coincidence? You make the call.
if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck,
Otter
Yep, I have _never_ heard your arguments anywhere. No one's ever called a conservative a redneck before, that's a good one.
And to whoever posted the article about filibustering, thanks. Never realized that Democracy = One person standing up and bloviating for days, preventing a real vote. Sounds more like a power trip to me. Still, I'm having a tough time remembering how many of Alito's liberal colleagues on the 3rd Circuit Court testified that he was fair and impartial, and would make an excellent Supreme Court Justice. It was a least 3 or 4.
Oh, yeah, I'm having a tough time finding recent polls about Alito. There was just about a poll a week before the hearings, with press releases almost glowing with the hope that Alito would crash and burn in front of the Judiciary Committee. Unfortunately, Kennedy looked like the hapless windbag he is, Biden couldn't quit stumping for 2008, and the rest slung mud at a teflon wall named Samuel.
He's in, save your filibuster for when you really need it.
Posted by: Otter at January 20, 2006 02:17 PM
Hey otter way to put 2+2 together I never realized that lol but your way right.
Posted by: gutshot at January 20, 2006 02:18 PM
Power trip?
Yeh...like Bush spying without warrants. NOW that's a power trip.
Hey, gutshot...sorry the google is down for you for a while.
Joe Connason just said on Air America that he believes that the President met with Jack Abramoff on May 9, 2001 according to a Texas Observer report.We should insist on finding out the nature of that meeting and what was discussed. Tapes anyone?
So here's a riddle for a very special troll...
You take one pResident who just like Al Queda loves to "think of ways to hurt Americans..."
And
You take one person who likes to 'abuse' guys and kids...just like Alberto, Bush, Cheney, et al...
What do you get?
Hmmmm....
Hey, Gutless, how're your bowling average and golf game doing these days? Maybe they'd improve if you didn't spend so much time marinating in your own pesticides down there.
Of course, if you weren't so gutless, you could have saved some time by pointing us to the kind of drivel you usually post over nicedoggie.net: http://tinyurl.com/crjvz
Oh, and by the way -- the Phillies really *do* suck, Bowa or no Bowa.
now go back to your crossword puzzles and your hate rants,
Otter
gunshot I would make a deal with you. Lets make illimination of the filibuster permanent. I'm sure that would not sit well with you or Orin if Hillary were to make a Supreme Ct. nomination down the road or to block real healthcare reform that didn't get the stamp of approval from folks like Abramoff. We would here you bloviating as you are fond of saying how impt the filibuster is to democracy. oh, no that would be different,right!
Posted by: April at January 20, 2006 02:06 PM
Friends?
Doubtful...more like the Three Faces of Eve.
I was just kidding goof.
Posted by: April at January 20, 2006 02:02 PM
I know you were. (goof)
;)
some names for future Supreme Ct. nominations:
1. Lawrence Tribe
2. Ralph Nader
3. Mario Cuomo
4. Bill Clinton
5. Elliot Spitzer
6. Ralph Neas
would we not expect the filibuster procedure to then be dusted off the shelf?
(*Nice*, Gutless! Now you're not only sinking to the lowest levels of ad hominem attacks -- since you know you're wrong, you're showing your true colors and acting like a true chickenshit -- but you're faking somebody else's known nick in order to do it. If you were any less of a dumbass, you'd realize that the real Sparrow's IP address isn't anything close to the one you just used to post your snarky but stupid hate message about me... which, you'll notice, the mods have already yanked. Just chalk it up to having rolled yet another 7-10 split on your part, spudboy.)
goddess, will these punks *ever* grow up?
Otter
Oh goodie! Trolls. They only come by when they are really scared.
NOW I am having a good day.
Keep up the great work DCP! I LOVE the photos.
Okay, I can't resist--gunshot just calls himself that because he can't spell lobotomized.
Nope, I didn't hijack anyone's account. Ask your mod, it wasn't me. The worst accusation I've made is that you are socialists, something that probably none of you would be offended by. I didn't go looking up your background and try to attack you personally. I guess I was too busy thinking about golf and bowling, right?
Obviously you don't like two sided debate, so I'll leave you guys alone. Enjoy trying to sink Alito, it's going to be difficult.
Good luck, then. I apologize for accusing you of something that someone else apparently did. But that's not totally surprising; we know that trolls usually travel in packs anyway, so obviously *somebody* was busy spoofing nicks and making hate posts while you were out of the room. I'm sorry that I assumed it was you this time.
meanwhile don't the door hit ya where the good lord split ya,
Otter
FOCUS | Robert Fisk: Osama, Is It Him?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012006Y.shtml
Robert Fisk asks: So why only on audio? Why no video tape? Is he sick? Yes, say the usual American "intelligence sources." It's the same old story: Osama bin Laden talks to us from the mouth of a cave, from within a cave, from a basement perhaps, from a tape almost certainly recorded down a telephone line from far away.
gutshot:
Your idea of a two-sided debate is to side-swipe the car and then take off before exchanging insurance policy numbers.
Please.
Oh yeah, no pigsinging, I forgot!
Thanks otter, yer the ruliest of the unruly.
Truly.
Yeah, and good luck sinking America, ratgut... you are off to a helluva start.
I mean, all this damage in less than 5 years, that's GOTTA be some kind of record.
And it is.
Good luck running from THAT.
Sam Alito On Brokeback Mountain
What do the bitter neocon nominee and the amazing Oscar-bound film have in common?
By Mark Morford
There is this theory, more of a truism really, tossed about like a fuzzy beach ball by the gurus and the masters and the mystics since Jesus was but a lint ball of possibility in the Great Belly Button of Time.
It goes like this: When human consciousness expands, for whatever reason and with whatever stimulation and even if you can only measure it in hairsbreadth, when our nasty habit of harsh judgment falls away and people begin to get a little bit, you know, lighter, there is always, as sure as there's someone who hates the sunrise, a clampdown, a recoil, a desperate need by the terrified and ever-paranoid conservative sect to, you know, put a quick stop to this so-called awakening crapola ASA-damn-P.
As soon as people begin realizing there's more to this brief little slice of existence than hate and war and the constant drumbeat of fear, there's always resistance, a reactive sneer at the idea that people might be waking up, even a little, and it's all in the name of protecting the status quo and defending the power base and not upsetting any of those carefully wrought prejudices, about making sure everyone stays quiet and doesn't ask any difficult questions of the Authority.
Religious groups make phone calls and complain. Big chunks of money get thrown into the pockets of sanctimonious politicians. Quasi-religious bonk-job leaders declare sex and music and gay people the source of all woes and vices and diseases. Ugly new laws get passed. And yes, bitter, convulsive justices get appointed to the Supreme Court. ...
(click here to read the rest)
(Full URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/01/20/notes012006.DTL&nl=fix)
*sigh*
Alas, poor Marckey, I seem to have gone a bit beyond my own advice in re the pig singing stuff... ended up having to do a wee bit of pig sticking instead.
And I *hate* it when I do that.
Mostly, anyways...
not my fault I didn't do it musta been some other otter honest,
Otter
nmp:
You are so reading my mind. I was about to post that same article by Morford!
A great read everyone--a good article looking culturally and spiritually on the societal reality of Alito's nomination in the face of the production of and acclaim for "Brokeback Mountain".
"The more the Empire tightens it grip, the more that slips through its fingers..."
Gunshot, if you are still around...I can't help but ask, why do you like Alito and why do you think he would be good for the court, or the United States for that matter.
In other words, which of his rulings do you most agree with? And in what ways do you think that he will personally affect you life?
IRC anyone? interesting stuff
spinnaker... you just asked almost EXACTLY what I was gonna type.
And furthermore, to be told we don't like 2 sided debate by a person who burst into a blog and threatened to nuke anyone who dared to attemp at actually participating in 2 sided debate was, well, the usual standard hypocrisy.
Assimalito, resistence is futile.
"A spokesman said Salazar remained vague on whether he would support a filibuster, though he is a member of the "Gang of 14," which agreed that judicial filibusters should be used only under extraordinary circumstances."
Ellen on her blog about OBL tape...A good read. Here's a snippet:
What I want to know is, well I think we all know, but I'd like to see Bush and Cheney articulate, why, if the bin Laden tape is geniune, and the bin Laden threat is genuine, is the Bush Administration not talking about stepping up efforts to find and catch bin Laden? Why doesn't Cheney hope that the tape sparks the capture of bin Laden?
I would also like to know why the Bush administration negotiates our freedoms and rights away to the terrorists while it insists that the US does not negotiate with terrorists. Bush, in fact, negotiates with terrorists every time he throws our hard earned tax dollars down the Iraq drain, whittles away at Constitutional protections and changes our American way of life to suit his new terrorism-shaped fear-based world. The only thing that Bush does not negotiate away is his own power.
Read the whole thing.
http://ellenofthetenth.blogspot.com/2006/01/fear-drives-out-reason-part-ii.html#comments
And this one's for our guest troll of the day...
Durbin Says Filibuster on Alito Still Possible
U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) announced Thursday he will vote against Judge Sam Alito for the U.S. Supreme Court. And he said so many other senators intensely oppose Alito that they may have enough votes to sustain a filibuster against the conservative jurist.(...)
As the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, it's Durbin's job to count votes for and against Alito. He said he won't know until Tuesday if there are enough strong opponents to filibuster Alito's nomination.
"A week ago, I would have told you it's not likely to happen," Durbin said. "As of [Wednesday], I just can't rule it out. I was surprised by the intensity of feeling of some of my colleagues. It's a matter of counting. We have 45 Democrats, counting [Vermont independent] Jim Jeffords, on our side. We could sustain a filibuster if 41 senators ... are willing to stand and fight.
MyDD makes this comment:
When I was down in DC, I heard some people optimistically argue that Republicans would not try and use the nuclear option if Democrats filibustered Alito, simply because going down that path would be extremely poor timing around the SOTU, the start of the legislative session, and the start of an election year. I have no idea if that is a likely scenario, as I also do not know if Democrats will actually be able to round up the votes on a filibuster. Clearly, however, the situation is extremely close, and the next reporter who writes or says that Alito is "likely" to be confirmed is either not paying attention, or needs to come clean about their connections to the Republican Noise Machine.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/1/20/133322/842
Gee. What a surprise... So original.
Rove: GOP to Use Terror As Campaign Issue
Embattled White House adviser Karl Rove vowed Friday to make the war on terrorism a central campaign issue in November.
He also said Democratic senators looked "mean-spirited and small-minded" in questioning Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito.
"Republicans have a post-9/11 view of the world. And Democrats have a pre-9/11 view of the world," Rove told Republican activists. "That doesn't make them unpatriotic, not at all. But it does make them wrong — deeply and profoundly and consistently wrong."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060120/ap_on_go_ot/republicans_rove
Bring it on, KKKKarl. Tell us just how much safer we are now...
al-Zawahiri -- OBL's #2 guy of a thousand lives -- released a tape today... Did we hear about that on the news??? CNN??? Funny. As georgia on DailyKos says, "What a difference a day makes..."
Check her diary out and ask the media why they aren't reporting this...
Al Zawahiri Releases Audiotape; U.S. Media Mum
by georgia10
What a difference a day makes! Yesterday, the media couldn't wait to break out their flashy "breaking news" graphics to cover bin Laden's audiotape, but a new audiotape by Al Qaeda's #2, Al Zawahiri, has gone relatively unnoticed.
http://www.dailykos.com/
(OK, I know I'm talking to myself here, but that's never stopped me before...)
Washingtonian has photos that prove that Georgie & Jackoff met...
Bush and Abramoff—Say Cheese?
White House press secretary Scott McClellan admits that the White House has been on a search mission for any photos showing President Bush with toxic lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who is cooperating with the Justice Department on its investigation of a wide-ranging lobbying scandal.
--snip--
If the White House can’t find the photos, prosecutors already know where to look. The Washingtonian has seen five photos of the President with Abramoff or his family. One photo shows the President and Abramoff shaking hands at a meeting in the Old Executive Office Building, where a bearded-Abramoff introduced Bush to several of the lobbyist’s native-American clients.
--snip--
Sources say the photographs are being kept safe. Abramoff would tell prosecutors, if asked, that not only did he know the President, but the President knew the names of Abramoff’s children and asked about them during their meetings. At one such photo session, Bush discussed the fact that both he and Abramoff were fathers of twins.
http://www.washingtonian.com/capital_comment/2006/PowerPlayers/02.html
Posted by: madame defarge at January 20, 2006 05:26 PM
You arent talking to yourself and thanks so much I was wondering if there were any photos to porve ties.
"(OK, I know I'm talking to myself here, but that's never stopped me before...)"
No defarge I've been listening and pushing this same story here since I heard David Gregory's pumelling Scotty about Abramoff meeting Bush in May 2001 in the oval office. where are the tapes?
photos are nice, but show me the tapes.
Posted by: Ira at January 20, 2006 05:31 PM
Rosemary Woods has the tapes... Oh wait, wrong crook. Sorry.
Posted by: madame defarge at January 20, 2006 05:12 PM
I read that one and it cracked me up. I just feel so much safer with the big strong Republicans in charge. I like how they captured Bin Laden right away and how he cant talk to us about how he wants Americans dead. I espcially love how they went after the real threat to our national security Iran, and how they have kept our military personal so safe. I also am really really glad that so many poor people have health insurance now not to mention all the elderly and children. I really love the way they are taking care of our enviroment and looking after our childrens economic future!! Yup they need to use security as the issue they really really do.
OK, correction. CNN just now posted something about al-Zawahiri's released tape. Get this title...
Bin Laden's No. 2 releases poetry tape
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/20/zawahiri.tape/index.html
I'm surprised they didn't categorize it under their "Entertainment" section. Sheesh. And we wonder why we need to be the media...
Posted by: madame defarge at January 20, 2006 05:12 PM
I read that one and it cracked me up. I just feel so much safer with the big strong Republicans in charge. I like how they captured Bin Laden right away and how he cant talk to us about how he wants Americans dead. I espcially love how they went after the real threat to our national security Iran, and how they have kept our military personal so safe. I also am really really glad that so many poor people have health insurance now not to mention all the elderly and children. I really love the way they are taking care of our enviroment and looking after our childrens economic future!! Yup they need to use security as the issue they really really do.
John Kerry to appear on This Week on Sunday. I believe he is currently in Iraq and may be reporting from there.
Just call me paronoid but does it strike anyone as strange the there have been two tapes released in as many days? I have been looking to see and cant find any referance to two tapes having been released so close together before. Even in the ones that delivered the go ahead to the 9/11 highjackers were spaced out.
OK, correction. CNN just now posted something about al-Zawahiri's released tape. Get this title...
Bin Laden's No. 2 releases poetry tape
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/20/zawahiri.tape/index.html
I'm surprised they didn't categorize it under their "Entertainment" section. Sheesh. And we wonder why we need to be the media...
Posted by: madame defarge at January 20, 2006 05:43 PM
Madame D:
I am having a "Snake Pliskin" moment.
Didn't we kill this guy in 2003, and then again in 2004?
("Snake Pliskin? I thought you were DEAD!!")
Has the Bush administration done a good job of putting terrorists 'out of business'?
THis is the CNN quick vote today its really funny.
http://www.cnn.com/
I wish we could say more than yes or no, since we now have two tapes released in as many days from said terrorists that we to quote bush "Have On The RUn"
Hey all, I am back!
Sorry this is a little off the Alito topic, but it is also very important... I have a question about the senate election in Ohio for DeWine's seat...
It seems to me like two equally great Democrats are running against eachother in the primary: Hackett and Brown. My questions are-- are any early polls saying which of the two is leading? Does anyone here particularly support one over the other? And finally, in light of Karl Rove's recent comments indicating that Republicans will focus on making national security the issue in 2006, do you think that Hackett, having served in Iraq, would be the best choice?
Posted by: NativeTexan4Kerry at January 20, 2006 05:55 PM
He's a vet they attack vets so I am not so sure.
It is heavy to read Fisk & Goff in the same day .. courtesy TruthOut .. usually I have to seek them out
Stan Goff | Returning Home Alive
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012006C.shtml
All is not okay or right for those of us who return home alive and supposedly well, wrote Douglas Barber. What looks like normalcy and readjustment is only an illusion to be revealed by time and torment. Stan Goff tells the sad story of Douglas Barder, a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War, who committed suicide after returning home from Iraq.
b/c OBL & Al-Z are competing for followers .. prestige
I think many would prefer that Hackett have run for the Congressional seat again against Schmidt again especially after her outburst in Congress but personally I would love to see him take on Dewine in Nov; he's an exciting candidate but maybe not the organization or money of Brown. Zogby has them both up on Dewine by 3-5% points.
Native:
I like Hackett. Met him a few months ago. Seems to play it real straight and nearly WON in his Congressional race over Jean "Cheerleader Hair" Schmidt--you know, the one who insulted Murtha that day he stopped supporting the war?
The region he was running for is predominately Republican. Schmidt won by a few (less than 5) percentage points.
Thanks. Good points.
But as far as Hackett against Brown do we know who's leading?
native, in primaries its all about organization, ad buys and GOTV (getting out your supporters). polling is usually pretty meaningless in primaries. But you are right to raise this story as primary day is coming up soon, Fe in March is that correct, and Dewine is vulnerable. My querie, can the loser still go back and challenge Schmidt if Brown is in fact in her district Fe?.
Ira:
Good points.
Question: When was Schmidt first elected?
Posted by: NativeTexan4Kerry at January 20, 2006 05:55 PM
Welcome back NT4k,
This is what I hear from my fellow patriots in Ohio.
They say that election fraud is still well and good in Ohio. Prior to last Novembers votes on election reform, all polls showed bi-partison support for change, yet miraculously some fancy dancing provided a surprise 'win' for the corrupt Republicans there. In the meantime, their corrupt State Congress is bringing in more reforms that will create a big black hole for any fair election.
So...to answer your question...I'd have prefered Hackett to run against Schmidt and let Brown take on Levine; however, given the deep dark election system run by the dark overlords of Evil, may we only pray that whichever lacky is in charge of the master code will somehow get his formulas wrong and we end up with a fair election instead of another stolen one.
As it is said..."I have a dream..."
Posted by: spinnaker at January 20, 2006 03:43 PM
Do you think Gunshot approves of little 10 year old girls getting strip searched?
Maybe gutless wonder there doesn't even know about it.
Ira:
I am answering my own question and yours. Schmidt is up for re-election in '06. Already facing trouble from her previous party rival.
Will need to dive back into the web for answer on candidacy for Congress vs. Senate for Hackett. By most election rules across states, you gotta make a play for one in a year, unless there are write-in rules in state election laws.
Another thought, given the party's "favoring" Hackett, I intuited from recent articles I scanned just now that there is a marked leaning in the party leadership towards Hackett over Brown, and I think the strategy is a good one.
Hackett is a very public face on the war, and speaks to the very heart of it. His singular candidacy of a Senate race draws greater visibility to the Democrats with Hackett there, and therefore their ability to have street cred on national security. Hackett is a contender made more noticeable in that select group of 100 versus the HUNDREDS in Congress.
Ira:
I am answering my own question and yours. Schmidt is up for re-election in '06. Already facing trouble from her previous party rival.
Will need to dive back into the web for answer on candidacy for Congress vs. Senate for Hackett. By most election rules across states, you gotta make a play for one position, unless there are write-in rules in the state's election laws.
Another thought, given the party's "favoring" Hackett, I intuited from recent articles I scanned just now there seems to be a marked leaning in the party leadership towards Hackett over Brown, and if so, I think the strategy is a good one.
Hackett is a very public face on the war, and speaks to the very heart of it. His singular candidacy of a Senate race draws greater visibility to the Democrats with Hackett there, and therefore their ability to have street cred on national security. Hackett is a contender made more noticeable in that select group of 100 versus the HUNDREDS in Congress.
Personally, I think he can handle the Senate.
Sorry for the double post.
Posted by: Fe at January 20, 2006 06:06 PM
Schmidt won in the same area where the 04 election was illegally tabulated without witnesses due to a false terror alert.
Want to know something scary? No?
Tough luck, I'm telling it anyway. In the last 8 months, I've had the privalege of driving throughout Ohio. And sadly, I am now like little Ms. Election Reform Barbie Tour Guide. In other words, like any good tour guide, I'm able to point out the various scenes of the election crimes across the state of Ohio.
(Welcome visiters to Ohio. You are entering Lucas County, Ohio. The home of Tom and Bernadette Noe. As you drive south on ...you will exit at ...and will be able to see for yourself the little toy store that Tom and Bernadette Noe owned. Yes, looking at this toy store, you can see why Tom Noe had to steal from the Ohio Workers Compensation Fund.)
Well..you get the idea...
Hi all,
Haven't had a chance to catch on your voluminous remarks but it looks like you've had lots to say.
I'll try to catch up later on tonight or tomorrow.
Oh, it is so great to come in here and see that you guys are all going strong!!!
Funny thread today. You guys are AWESOME!!
You go, April. You tell it like it is, and you do encourage everyone to not be afraid to put their thoughts and feelings in writing, but to join in. That's what we are here for.
Sparrow, that is amazing that you learned that, and responded so quickly with the FACTS. Now, can you guys teach me your file system?
Fe, great to hear from you. No nonsense, factual, level headed, as always.
I am standing up in front of my computer applauding all of you!!! Kudos!!!
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GUTLESS WONDER:
Do you like fascism?
Do you like the rich elite population to get richer off the sweat, poverty, neglect, and abuse of the average American worker who used to be called "Middle Class"?
Do you like to see elderly people having to choose between heating their home, buying food, or buying life sustaining prescription drugs?
Do you like to see hard working Americans working two and three jobs to keep the roof over their children's heads and food on their tables?
Do you like to see hard working and elderly people getting their wages attached to pay exhorbitant medical bills? (Everything is about big bucks and big business to the majority of corporate power loving Republicans.)
Do you like to see religious but not genuinely spiritual men and women do their religious rituals and toss around religious phrases while SCREWING the sheep in their flocks?
If you do, brother, well Hallelujah and Glory Be.
I don't.
I don't like abuse of power. I don't like pride. I don't like an absence of compassion and empathy for people before and after they've been screwed by big money interests.
I don't like to see young men killed in action to promote the wealthy corporate interests of the elite who not only cannot identify with the struggle of the working class, but are opportunistic in their use of these working class people to further promote their own greedy and selfish interests. They kill the young of our poor to fatten their pocketbooks, WONDER.
Do you like MURDER and MAIMING, WONDER?
I don't like the bombing and killing and maiming of innocent civilians in Iraq to steal the oil beneath their feet.
So take THAT to the bank, Gutless Wonder.
I call you that because I wonder how you can watch the canned propaganda on t.v. that calls itself the American News, and believe it. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to look around and see that what goes on in the average American's life isn't as rosey as the canned propaganda portrays it to be. It is far from rosey, WONDER. It is toxic. It is fatal. It not only destroys life, health, self-esteem, and mental health, it destroys hope and dignity and opportunity and prosperity and freedom and talent and artistic endeavor and happiness.
It doesn't take a brain surgeon, WONDER.
America is in dire straights, thanks to five years of George W. Bush and his corrupt cabal.
I used to be a Republican. I voted for George W. Bush because I believed his lies about morality and Christian compassion.
I wised up when I saw the proof in the pudding.
If a man's acts don't align with what he says, he is not genuine.
What is so hard to comprehend about that?
I wonder, WONDER, why you can't see it?
You are being lied to.
You can still change your mind. You didn't sign a lifetime contract to be a Republican yes man no matter the fruit of the lies, or the corruption, or the effect.
We give warm shelter here to anyone who wants the truth.
Aren't you SICK of it?
Yes, I've received error messages too, but I close out and go back in, and my messages are always posted in spite of the error message.
Thanks for working on it Tech Goddesses.
It has been touchy the last 48 hrs.
Is it okay to continue posting at this time, Techie Goddesses?
Blog Angels?
WOWZERS!!!
Stock market plunged over 200 points today.
When I worked in the industry a 50 point plunge was enough to send all of us into a frenzy. I can't IMAGINE the paperwork and the stress that was involved today in a 200 point plunge. This is a BIG DEAL, folks.
Also a BIG DEAL: Oil prices soared back up to the highest amount of $68.00 a barrel. This will reflect on your bill at the gas pump, so better fill up tonight. I am on my way out to fill up tonight while the price is still $2.25 per gallon here. I expect it to jump up within the next few days!
Thank you, blog angels.
Today alot of people lost all the money they had gained in the stock market the past year....
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/briefing/StockTicker.asp