Thanks - looking forward to reading this in full.

Would also like to know more about the implications of everything happening between Somalia and Ethiopia and also in Southeast Asia (Thailand and surroundings). We ignore it at our peril, but MSM is skewed in favor of the large and the powerful. We're all connected, in reality.

next time someone tells you that you just want to cut and run, remind that neocon that is right, just like their hero Ronald Reagan did in Lebanon in the eighties. Except they called his actions after we lost 200 troops, great judgement.

Posted by Rick Albertson at January 6, 2007 05:00 PM

Can anyone tell me in ten words or less WHAT they're fighting about?

Can anyone tell me in ten words or less WHY we should support either side?

I admit I'm completely anti-war anywhere in the world, so I'm certain I have a mental block somewhere that just doesn't get it.

I have just watched/listened to the first two segments of The Power of Nightmares (link to DU on previous thread, then link to Google web site from there), and I can't seem to get back on the web site to view the third segment, so the web site must be getting lots of hits on it. I've known all along that the brainwashing has been insidiously creeping into the national rhetoric, but seeing it condensed down to just a short three hours is as overwhelming as a tsunami....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1002626006461047517

The Power of Nightmares

Thanks Rick, for this long, clear and detailed explanation. Yes, the disarming of the IRA has taken a very long time, and Sinn Fein's credence is still very shaky. But, Northern Ireland shows us that it can be done. And in this I gather courage to persevere.

I also believe that we cannot, in all certainty, proclaim how any group will respond to certain actions. 999 times out of 1000 maybe. I try to concentrate on the thousandth time. The exception, not the rule. It's my trust in the goodness of humanity. If I didn't believe this I wouldn't bother to pay attention to the politics of world powers. I'd simply hide away and try not think. I would have no hope.

I did understand a lot more about Hizbollah's motives in capturing three Israeli soldiers after hearing an interview by Jimmy Carter. It was the first time I saw that there was a reason for the kidnap. And let's face it, the capture was of soldiers, not the bombing of thousands of civilians aged 0 to 100. No matter what conflict is going on, there is always another point of view. For the appalling death and devastation in Lebanon, I do not support Israel. No.

There is NEVER a reason to do this to civilians. Hizbollah was hiding amongst them? If it's true, that is still not a reason to do all that you've outlined above. I give the same response as I gave the night I was told my 10 year old son was shot. It's INEXCUSABLE!

Thanks for clarifying this, Rick. I always value your thoughts. And debate. :)

In a classic episode of The West Wing, one of the staffers asked President Bartlett why the people in the Middle East have always been at each others' throats for so many centuries. He paused for a moment, then said:

"Because it's incredibly hot. And there's no water."

and then there's that pesky sects-and-violence thing too,
Otter

simply Nonny because Israel is the only real democracy in the Middle East and where my ancestors went to escape after the holocaust.Its not only our national interest, but mankind's interest that Israel survive since its neighbor's raison d'etre is to drive them into the sea and accomplish what the third reich could not. That is more than 10 words.

I admit I'm completely anti-war anywhere in the world, so I'm certain I have a mental block somewhere that just doesn't get it.

Posted by: NonnyO at January 6, 2007 05:45 PM

Same here NonnyO. It seems that before we've extricated ourselves from one war, we're lining up to get involved in the next, and then the next and then the next.

I truly despair.

"Because it's incredibly hot. And there's no water."

Posted by: Otter at January 6, 2007 05:53 PM

Well, hey - there is some truth in that. I lived 15 years in an opal mining community in the outback where it's incredibly hot and there was only hot, very hot, smelly water.

And every 6-months-long summer where temperatures were above 40C, tempers were short! Except, there was a lot of alcohol added to the mix here, instead of religion.

It seems that before we've extricated ourselves from one war, we're lining up to get involved in the next, and then the next and then the next.
Posted by: woz at January 6, 2007 06:43 PM

That's why The Power of Nightmares is so relevant. It details how the neoCons set up the "us vs. them" mentality, per Strauss, etc. It's truly sickening and frightening at the same time, because those of us on this blog see how the past relates to the present neoCon rulership of this nation.

I still can't get back to that web site to view the third installment of it. When I do, I plan on downloading the three segments.

I've been reading some about Lebanon (my son's texts), in order to see what events came before the hostilities of last summer between Hizbollah in Lebanon and Israel. Lebanon's history, ethnic makeup and geographical location practically guarantee that is is a hot spot, as it has always been a trade center due to the sea but also partically protected by mountains. Lebanon has usually been foreign-dominated (Babylonians, Armenians, Persians, Ottomans, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, French). Lebanon had a complex culture four centuries before birth of Christ, 400 BC or so. The alphabet was invented in this region.

During the Middle Ages, Lebanon was in the main path of the First Crusade, then occupied by Franks. Persecuted groups have long hid in the mountains of Lebanon. The Ottomans then ruled from the 1500s til mid 19th century, along with what is now Syria, Jordan, Israel, Palestine. Lebanon had close ties and trade relations with the Italian dukes of the city-states. They collaborated for agriculture, engineering - including strong forts. The Ottoman empire extended all the way to Constantinople (now Istanbul).

Lebanon was a center of silk production for Europe, so the region became wealthy but dependent on Europe, especially France. I can't even begin to follow all the turbulence between factions such as Maronite Christians and the Druze. The system The sectarian and feudal rifts of the 1821–1825 conflict were heightened by the increasing economic isolation of the Druze, and the increasing wealth of the Maronites. France and Egypt had alot of control during the 1800s, with continuing "sectarian conflict" with European powers intervening. In the mid 1800s, the Ottoman empire reasserted control (Bashir I and II were succeeded by Bashir III). The Druze and Maronites continued their bloody battling, with creation of separate districts from them, which only created powerbases for continued civil war, coexisting with class struggle (so a complex chaos).

It went on like this through the rest of the 19th century, with Maronites and Druzes burning each other's villages, and the Ottomans as overlords. Europeans finally threatened to intervene and the Turks tried to negotiate peace, but Napolean finally "surged" in with 7000 troops and partitioned the place. They supported the Maronites against the Druze, which kept the region destabilized. So the whole cycle started over again, with the factions burning each others' villages.

By end of the 19th century, the American University of Beirut was founded and Lebanon developed fairly well, with overall more liberalization and peace. By WW1, Lebanon was sending delegates to various international organization meetings, but was still under Ottoman control. The Ottoman Empire collaped after WW1 and the League of Nations split Lebanon into 5 provinces and overlapped with part of what is now Syria, with a great deal of control by France. Lebanon contained about half Arabs, half Christians. The ratio of Shiites, Sunnis and Christians in Lebanon was controlled by France. The President was to be a Christian, the Prime minister a Sunni. The ratio of religious representation in Parliament was strictly specified. This system was kept in place even as there came to be slightly more Muslims and was not revised til much later.

Lebanon became independent just during WW2, while France was occupied by Germany. The Vichy let Germany move aircraft and supplies through Syria to Iraq to use against the British, who feared Germany would control Lebanon and Syria. Lebanon eventually became independent yet was under authority of France, which had ceased to be occupied. Elections were held in 1943 but the French threw the elected officials into prison but released them under international pressure. The French did not withdraw til 1946.
In 1948, following the Arab-Israeli war, Lebanon got 110,000 Palestinian refugees (and remember, Lebanon is small). These had been expelled from newly formed Israel and also Jordan. Lebanon had to take more refugees in than any other Arab nation. In 1958, an insurrection broke out. 5000 US Marines were sent to Beirut. During the 1960s, Beirut was a prosperous center of banking, tourism and opium production - the "Paris of the middle east."

In 1967, Lebanon got yet more Palestinian refugees, following the Arab-Israeli War. Many of them regrouped in Lebanon, led by Arafat's PLO. Lebanon was weak and a good location from which to fight back at Israel. PLO hijacked an Israeli plane en route to Algiers, one en route to Athens, then an attack on the Beirut airport by Israel followed. Each side blamed the other. Much of the tension was over whether the distribution of power between the Christian and Muslim communities was fair. In 1975, civil war broke out in Lebanon once again. Maronite Lebanese Christians fought Arab Palestinians. Nassar of Egypt had negotiated an agreement between Arafat and Lebanon to grant the PLO authority over the Palestinian refugee camps and allow them access to northern Israel. The Maronites saw this as an excess of concessions to the Palestinians and they formed paramilitary groups such as the Phalange.

The PLO formed a "ministate" in southern Lebanon and ramped up attacks on settlements in northern Israel. More armed Palestinian militants located in Lebanon, including Arafat and Fatah, because Jordan was cracking down. They attacked Israel who countered with bombing raids in southern Lebanon where 150 or more towns were destroyed in the early '70s. Lebanon had no conflict with Israel between 1949-1968 but then the recurring cycle of attack and retaliation at Lebanon's border began. The same cycle repeated - attack, retaliation, chaos, civil war, foreign invasions, international intervention. This has gone on ever since there were PLO in Lebanon.

Lebanon had another Civil War, which lasted from 1975 to 1990. This started because of all the political compromises which left various factions unsatisfied. The religious groups couldn't get along with each other, and the proximity to Syria, the presence of the PLO and their quarrel over the border with Israel added to the mess. The Europeans had left, Arab nationalism was on the rise, Arab socialism as well (this was during the Cold War). Other factors in the reason included Ba'athism (Saddam), the Iranian Revolution (Shah Pahlavi overthrown in favor of Khomeini), the PLO, Black September (Jordan), fundamentalism (such as Al Quaida) and the Iran-Iraq war (which lasted almost a decade). In that civil war, 100,000 were killed, 100,000 handicapped - a 16 year war - in a very small country. 1/5 of the population were made refugees.

In 1978, Israel invaded Lebanon because Fatah attacked. Israel occuped an area requiring evacuation of 100,000 Lebonese (numbers are rounded), and 2000 deaths. The UN passed a resolution calling for Israel to withdraw and the UN sent a peacekeeping force in, to create a buffer zone against cross-border attacks. By 1981, Israel and Syria were fighting and the US intervened diplomatically. An agreement was made and the conflict stopped. The Palestinians continued to fight amongst themselves and with Israel, but a ceasefire was brokered between the PLO and Israel finally.

Israel invaded Lebanon again in 1982 after hostilities erupted at the border, involving PLO. Israeli units reached to Beirut and 20,000 were killed on all sides, including civilians. US Marines, French and Italians moved in to make sure the PLO left. 15,000 Palestinian militants left. The Christian Phalange militia cleared out 2000 more PLO fighters. Then the President of Lebanon was assassinated. The Phalangists retaliated by coming into two Lebanese refugee camps and massacring the refugees (a documentary is available). These are known as the Sabra and Shatila massacres and there was considerable resentment of Sharon, who didn't intercede.

In 1983, Lebanon, Israel and US arranged for Israel to withdraw if Syria would leave also. Syria refused, causing stalemate. The international forces stayed all the way up ti 2000.
In 1983 and 1984, truck bombing at the US Embassy and an attack on the Marine barracks led to an American withdrawal and the Lebanese army also collapsed. Another weak unpopular Lebanese head of government was assassinaed and his equally unpopular older brother succeeded him. Between 1985 and 1989, heavy fighting took place between refugee camps, as Shi'a militias tried to rout out Palestinian militias. In 1987, real combat returned as well, between Palestinians, leftists and Druze fighters, with Syria intervening.
The new head of the unity government was assassinated. Another Maronite Christian was put at the head, angering many Muslim groups, who backed a Sunni. Lebanon thushad a Christian government in East Beirut and a Muslim government in West Beirut.

In 1989, a General launched a war against the Syrian armed forces in Lebanon. The US backed the Syrian air force. Syrian Lebanese groups attacked the presidential palace. The leader has to evacuate to the French embassy and go into exile in Paris. Syria is regarded as having helped Lebanon end its civil war in 1990. Lebanon then got a new president but he was assassinaed in a car bomb. The National Assembly makeup was changed so equally Christian/Muslim representation was achieved. Pardons were given and militias were dissoled, except for Hizballah.

In 1991, car bombings began again, and a former prime minister was wounded. Since the end of the war, the militias weakened and the Lebanese army controlled approx. 2/3 of the country. The Shi'a Hizballah retained its weapons, the only militia to do so. In 1992, the prime minister resigned and was replaced. Lebanon had its first elction in 20 years, headed by a billionaire businessman. Downtown Beirut was nicely rebuilt and there was considerable private sector investment. The sectarian tensions persisted under the surface. The government has had to take action against Sunni extremists and also groups affiliated with Al Quaida.

In 2002, another former Lebanese figure associaed with the Sabra and Shatila massacres who later served in the Cabinet - was assassinated. During Lebanon's civil wr, Syria was ok'd to have troops in Lebanon, via agreement. This was because the Lebanese army was fairly weak. Under this agreement, Hizbollah was to be dismantled. Some considered the presence of Syrian military an occupation. Others believed it contributed to stability and prevented relapse into civil war. US and France questioned that Lebanon really wanted Syrian forces there and considered Lebanon's head a Syrian puppet.

Up to 2005, 14-15,000 Syrian troops (down from 35,000) were still in Lebanon. Most Lebanese have wanted the Syrians to leave, as has the U.S., who applied pressure on Syria to stop interfering in Lebanon. in 2004, the UN asked Syria to leave. Israel completed its withdrawal by 2000 but a region called Shebaa Farms, which Israel continued to control. The UN considers this occupied territory that should go back to Lebanon. Both Hizbollah and Israel continue to violate the UN-determined "Blue Line," which they are not to cross.

Hizbollah won't dismantle. They make incursions into Shebaa Farms area, then Israel makes strikes into southern Lebanon. The Lebanese government doesn't seem to be able to do much about it. Lebanon and Syria can't seem to disband the militias, nor does Syria seem to stop troop and arms movements into Lebanon to Hizbollah. The National Assembly in Lebanon voted 2-1/2 years ago to amend the constitution to give a pro-Syrian president 3 more years in office. This looks as though Syria has some control over Lebanon's government. Also, Lebanon's most recent prime minister was assassinated and he had opposed the amendment and in 2004, another prominent politician who opposed the amendment was killed in a car bomb. Almost 15 years after the civil war, Syria won't leave.

About a year ago, thousands of protesters in Lebanon rallied for the end of Syrian occupation and blamed pro-Syrians for the assassination of their prime minister. This increased international pressure on Syria. Bush and Chirac condemned the killing and called for Syria to follow the UN resolution asking them to leave. UN sent a team to investigate the assassinaton. Syria agreed only to move its troops to a different part of Lebanon. Last year the pro-Syrian prime minister finally resigned and announced Syrian troops would leave, but particulars were vague. Russia, former ally of Syria, asked them to leave Lebanon. Germany weighed in, and Arab states. Syria agreed to withdraw 15,000 troops but leave 3000. Then those were to go, but no timetable. Meanwhile, Hizbollah tried to organize massive gatherings against the UN resolution. They did not want to give up their weapons. More demonstrations by pro-Hizbollah and then anti-Syrian masses in thousands. New records were set for numbers of demonstrators, both sides.
It was clear Hizbollah had alot of followers. Their leader, Nasrallah, became very emboldened, threatening Israel publicly. They did also have support from Syria.

After weeks, a UN envoy from Sweden met with Syrian leader Assad. Prior to the meeting, the Swede consulted with several moderate Arab nation heads. An ultimatim was delivered to Assad calling for phased withdrawal of Syrian troops and respect of Lebanon's sovereignty. Hizbollah was also to be disarmed. One anti-Syrian rally was said to number at 1 million - with Sunni, Christian and Druze elements. It was double the size of the pro-Hizbollah rally organized by Syria the previous week. The top Syrian General in Lebanon then resigned, and finally Syrian troops pulled out of Lebanon in April 2005. That represented Lebanon's first freedom from Syria in 30 years. UN forces were sent to verify this. Then came a series of car bomb assassinations of Lebanese politicians and journalists. Border tension continued. Hezbollah became a part of the Lebanese government following the 2005 elections but the UN still calls for its militia to be dismantled.

In November 2005, Hizbollah attacked the Israeli border to provide cover for abducting some Israeli troops. The attack failed when Israeli paratroopers killed 4 Hisbollah in ambush. A month later, Hizbollah sent in some Katushya rockets. Kofi Annan asked the Lebanese government to put a stop to the attacks by Hizbollah, but their prime minister Saniora has been in a weak position. The conflict between Lebanon and Israel escalated in July of 2006. That has been summarized in the thread above but as you can see, it's a continuation of hostilities that have developed over time. What I have attempted to do is share some of my review of events leading up to the conflict this summer and to gather some context.

Ten words?
Looks to me like Syria was instrumental in helping Lebanon stop it's protracted civil war, which appeared to be mostly about the perceived unfairness of the quota system in government.

Lebanon seems to have been pulled between outside forces for centuries, and remained sectarian and without unity, never developing a stable government.

Israel and Lebanon share a border, yes, and there has been triangulation between the PLO, Hizbollah and Syria.

Overall, it seems like one of the main problems is that Syria would not leave, after its role in stabilizing Lebanon was over. Lebanon was too good of a staging site for its power plays.

That's more than ten words.

I also couldn't help but wonder at the parallels - US would not leave Saudi Arabia following the first Gulf War. Napolean intervened much as we are doing in Iraq.

Israel is the democracy in the middle east and in a vulnerable location. The problem is that it has annexed territory which continued to be disputed, with Palestine, with Lebanon, with Egypt. It also seems that if Israel is nuclear, the others want to be as well.

Syria is certainly behind Hizbollah and Lebanon has seemed to be fairly toothless, even with outside help.

I would certainly not take sides in these conflicts. They never seem to end and there is too much war profiteering going on for any of the ideological or sectarian positions to make much sense. The violence may start because of tensions over land or religion, but there are many who manufacture arms who are quick to start rubbing their palms together.

It seems to me that we make judgements and then rush in to make whole countries operate like we do. Who says that our way is the right way? Who says our way is the best way? We barge into other people's ways without the slightest interest in understanding those ways. We just know they'll be better off with our freedoms.

What? How do we know this? We've sent soldiers in to a land to straighten it out and force it into a democracy under our rule. Democracy certainly has lost it's original definition. Government of, for, by the people? Where is that happening these days? In the US what were the numbers for and against the Iraq invasion? Here in Australia it was opposed by more than 60% before a single soldier left our shores? Government by the people? I think not. Same in the UK.

We expect people to learn English if they want to come to live in our countries. Oh, that's right - it doesn't matter in the middle east. We're the invaders and the occupiers and our language is English. It worked here in Australia and there in America hundreds of years ago. It will work again in the Middle East.

Seems to me it's all about world domination. Again. Still.

We may be able to assist countries, like Lebanon, if they ask for assistance - in mediation. We can't give advice until we walk in the shoes of those who've walked the walk of the collective Lebanese memory. And that's really not possible. While we sit in judgement - we Gods of Democracy - we can never have empathy with any of the hundreds of sides to the dilemma.

When are we going to learn that democracies don't own morality. Need I mention names of the abused or tortured with government sanction? How about your phone taps, no fly lists, opened mail? All without warrants. Who on earth would anyone want our Democracy? Who'd want our freedom?

Posted by: Bubba at January 6, 2007 06:16 PM

I must have quit reading WWII history "too soon." 30-40 years ago, after I found out one of my uncles helped liberate a concentration camp, I read quite a lot about it (he would never talk about the experience, but it drove him to the brink of alcoholism after the war). But I didn't read much about after the war, setting up Israel as a nation... so I'm not well-read on the topic. I had to quit reading about the concentration camps and the rest of WWII because it was giving me nightmares after seeing too many pictures of people in concentration camps, so I switched to reading about other things (huge amounts of much earlier histories, mostly).

I despair that war happens at all, anywhere, and I just simply fail to understand genocide anywhere (including the current modern battles that are genocidal in nature). My genealogy research has taught me that when one goes back hundreds of years in search of ancestors (that one can document, at least, usually not much more than 400-500 years), and add simple biology and genetics and modern DNA studies, there just simply is not anything like a 'pure race' like Hitler's delusion, and if one studies historical facts from thousands of years ago, the military invasions, the peaceful migrations when any group became overpopulated and part of them moved on to other areas... well, things like Hitler's delusions are sheer nonsense.

Wilfred Owen quoted Horace in his poem "Dulce et Decorum Est" in 1920 (a poem about the horrors of dying from mustard gas in WWI):

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori: From Horace, Odes, Book 3, line 13: "It is sweet and honorable to die [while fighting] for [one's] country."

I can think of many good reasons to live for one's country. In this day and age, after all the lies we've been told, I can no longer think of a good reason to die for one's country.

Killer post, woz. I like your perception of the issues here.

Thanks Otter

Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney Makes the Case for Impeachment
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/010607D.shtml
Here is McKinney's case for impeachment and for the history books, a case that says to historians, "Look, I knew what needed to be done, and I failed for years but I admitted it on my last day." A case that says to us: "Here is your mission: awaken currently serving Congress members to this case or kiss your democracy goodbye."

{{{"Must Read." There are things mentioned in this that I don't remember reading about before, like violations of treaties banning weapons that seem to have been used particularly in Afghanistan. Many things we've known about, but she goes into greater detail.}}}

GOP Senator Confronts Bush on Opening Mail
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/010607E.shtml
The Republican sponsor of a postal reform bill called on President Bush yesterday to explain why he used it to claim he can open domestic mail without a search warrant. Senator Susan Collins of Maine questioned Bush's controversial December 20 "signing statement" in which he stated if there were an emergency he wouldn't need a warrant to open letters.

Joseph L. Galloway | Another Flight From Reality by President Bush
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/010607C.shtml
Joseph L. Galloway writes: "President Bush in a few days will present the results of his painful month-long examination of the options for continuing his mistaken adventure in Iraq, but there's little evidence that he's discovered any new way forward. The word in the halls of the Pentagon and inside the Beltway is that The Decider will choose some sort of temporary bump in the numbers of American troops currently assigned to fight a war without end and without purpose."

Thank you, Rick, for posting this. A very smart positioning description.

There are no easy answers, because our policy has always been to play all sides simultaneously, against each other, favoring whoever has commodities we can trade with. Democracy with a higher commercial purpose.

We, and the World Bank/IMF (wonder why Wolfowitz is there?), create puppets and indebted nations, and don't always act honorably, but we have been useful brokers before. Glamourizing the terrorist groups, like Hezbollah and Hamas, or not seeing the big picture, where all are culpable, is a common progressive reflex.

Here's what I said at another site, likening it to the Ireland solution is apt:

"As Jewish, and not lost on the issues, diplomacy has always been what's needed. If only to temporarily stop the violence, curb those bad habits, while economies prosper and tensions subside. Creating even a desire for peaceful co-existence.

"Bush pushed Israel's Ohlmert into a disastrous response to Hezbollah, levelling what Beirut had taken years building back up, all while the terrorist group helped with the clean-up and rebuilding. A reversal of roles we can never repeat.

"There may never be peace, but a mutually beneficial end to the killing is a good start."

Israel has to behave better, not shop power point invasions and claim the high ground. Certainly not as proxy for Bush. That said, they can do no right, or do good, and still be slated for annihilation.

While Israel is frustrated, exercising bad habits and bunker mentality, like abused victims, the terrorist groups play them like a violin. Hezbollah infiltrates into Lebanon, providing social services, and taunts Israel from the sides, provoking desperate and unwise responses.

Hezbollah is of no help to Lebanon's fight for peace and stability, who are powerless to defang the terrorists.

I always wonder if these harsh leaders are in it more for their glory and power, as petty tyrants, and actually for the causes they cite, at all.

Posted by: NonnyO at January 6, 2007 09:17 PM

Impeachment. Yes. No. Waver. Hesitate. Gerald Ford forgave Nixon. Ok. Let's think about that. Speaking dollar$$$ only for now. How many single dollars did Nixon cost American taxpayers through his crimes, trial and his pension on resignation?

Now, same question for the little tic's (Terrorist-In-Chief) dollar for dollar in crimes and in the perpetuation of those crimes throughout the days, nights and years. Add to that, his non-resignation-completion-of-term-pension and tell me how many gazillions of dollar$$$ the tic has cost in comparison with Nixon.

I dread to think of the numbers of lives that he still intends to squander, on top of those he has squandered already. We'll soon reach the million squandered lives mark. We're well past the half million. Apparently, he's asked for 30,000 extra troops. So, he's not planning to end the killing any day soon. He's planning to escalate it.

And his plan on the domestic front which did make me laugh? He has a plan to balance the budget by 2012.

Considering the answers to these questions - facts not emotions - my question is, can you afford to forgive before the conclusion to the impeachment process? And before he tackles your budget?

I always wonder if these harsh leaders are in it more for their glory and power, as petty tyrants, and actually for the causes they cite, at all.

Posted by: Marjorie G at January 6, 2007 10:10 PM

I don't. But in this I include ALL the tyrants Israel's, America's, Australia's, the UK's et al. Not just Hizbollah, Hamas, al Queda, Jamaah Islamiah and whoever happens to be labelled the bad guy for this particular spot of manipulation.

http://www.msnbc.com/comics/daily.asp?sfile=db070106&vts=1620071750
Doonesbury

"Surge" Without Congressional Approval Is Impeachable Offense
By Francis Boyle
Professor of international law at the University of Illinois
Failure to obtain additional authorization from Congress for this substantial enlargement of U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq would constitute an impeachable offense under the terms of the United States Constitution for violating the Constitution's War Powers Clause and Congress's own War Powers Resolution."
http://tinyurl.com/yk49tl

The Surge: Political Cover or Escalation?
Paul Craig Roberts
Western domination of the Muslim world succeeded by not picking a fight with all of the disunited Arabs at the same time.
http://tinyurl.com/yf8ryw

Excerpt:
By manipulating Bush and provoking a military crisis in which the US stands to lose its army in Iraq, the neoconservatives hope to revive the implementation of their plan for US conquest of the Middle East. They believe they can use fear, “honor,” and the aversion of macho Americans to ignoble defeat to expand the conflict in response to military disaster. The neocons believe that the loss of an American army would be met with the electorate’s demand for revenge. The barriers to the draft would fall, as would the barriers to the use of nuclear weapons.

Crimes Against Humanity From Ford to Saddam:
If we do not limit our analysis of Ford to his role as a U.S. "statesman," and instead examine his behavior through an internationalist lens similar to that employed to judge Saddam Hussein and concerned with crimes against humanity, we find that Ford, too, was responsible for mass murder-in East Timor.
http://www.counterpunch.org/nevins01062007.html

America's new puppet
By its ill-judged invasion of Somalia, Ethiopia has become an accomplice in Bush's war on terror
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1983296,00.html

Fact or propaganda?:
American Passports Found on Bodies of Al Qaeda Fighters in Somalia:
A senior official in the Somali government's new Ministry of the Interior told ABC News government forces had recovered "dozens of foreign passports," including several American passports, on the bodies of al Qaeda fighters killed in combat between forces affiliated with the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) and Ethiopian forces in Somalia
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/01/american_passpo.html

marjorie to suggest that Bush could bully Ohlmert into attacking Lebanon is ridiculous,the Jewish state is not intimidated like our Congress. I was impressed by yout scholarly analysis of Lebanon. The Evangelicals hete in Delay,s old district think they have a special relationship with Israel and the Middle East which is rather perverted and I am sure instrumental in the neocon's policies But for those fearful of Isra wanting US troops in Gaza that is against official Israeli policy and probably the reason they became nuclear.

Very interesting discussion and enjoying it, & some scary articles here, particularly the one about the motives of the neocons with respect to any "surge" of troops.

NonnyO
Glad you're watching "The Power of Nightmares" - probably no surprise to you (the content).

I enjoy this site for the concentration of smart & interesting people.

I must have looked kind of eccentric today, because I'd rolled up nickels and dimes into little foil balls, each containing $1. I then took them to the post office and was feeding them into the stamp machine, a slow process. A postal worker came out to get a package out of a locker and I asked him, "Why is Bush able to read our mail without a warrant now?" He said, "Well I don't think he himself if reading it." I said, "Well postal workers I know in Oregon are quite concerned about the signing statement he added to the Postal Service bill."

Bubba
Yes, I read once about Tom Delay addressing the Knesset. I found that quite creepy.

I enjoy this site for the concentration of smart & interesting people.

Posted by: DiAnne at January 6, 2007 11:29 PM

Ditto

Posted by: NonnyO at January 6, 2007 08:06 PM

What is ironic is that Wilfred Owen was tremendously anti-war and that line in his poem drips with sarcasm.

Britain had been fed on the glories of war and then all its young boys went off in groups, whole school groups enlisting together and in those days it was thought to be good for morale to create companies based on all the soldiers knowing each other, being from the same town, and they went and fought other young boys, slogged it out for months in the mud hand to hand with boys just like themselves except fighting in a different uniform, and they were all sick with the horrors of what a real war was, it was not all glory and pomp and circumstance, it was a whole village of boys being wiped out by a single mortar, bloody bits everywhere. Hence the poppies which are still worn every year in England to raise money for disabled and retired veterans.

After WWII, Benjamin Britten set Owen's poetry to music in the "War Requiem", another heart-wrenching ode to the Blitz and the destruction of lives and hope and a whole generation left bleeding on the battlefields.

Wesley Clark : Bush's "Surge" Will Backfire

http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article2132496.ece

Bubba, Ohlmert was in a no-win position. Without Sharon's street creds, who could have exerted power, by either a diplomatic or military solution.

Lots of speculation 'what would Sharon do?'

Ohlmert had to prove himself, as did Peretz, so I liken it to Bush and Co strutting, out of their league. What mostly hurt was Hezbollah getting outside weaponry and help.

Beleagured after he didn't solve the problem once and for all, as Isrealis were finally wanting (after initial ambivalence), he tried a recent peace offering, which Peretz scuttled.

I was in Canada at the time of the Lebanon (War?), and read a variety of international press. Although Montreal has a large, active Jewish population, it was circumspect.

I do think Bush encouraged. You notice he backed a longer action, because everything we are doing now leads to Iran. Maybe for Israel, as well as the rest of the middle east and neo-con wet dream.

Regardless of reasons why not, and the mid-terms. I have never been this scared of my government.

Posted by: V at January 6, 2007 11:40 PM

In 1988 I did a comparison-contrast essay for my Honors English class of Dulche et Decorum Est and Ezra Pound's Mauberly IV... and the prof gave me an A+ for it. The whole essay was anti-war... and that was all before the first Gulf War. The night Congress voted on that war I was preparing for an Honors Seminar class and we selected Media Manipulation for the topic to study in class. All these years later it helps deconstruct the Bu!!$h!te we have been hearing for the last six years....

Glad you're watching "The Power of Nightmares" - probably no surprise to you (the content).
Posted by: DiAnne at January 6, 2007 11:29 PM

True, no surprise... but because it is concentrated into so short a space in time and covers so many years, it is frightening and overwhelming....

Thanks for all the good input today peeps.

Posted by: NonnyO at January 7, 2007 12:10 AM

And now I understand why my Egyptian guide was looking at me so funny fifteen years ago when he told me to say hello to Mr. Bush for him.

His eyes were searching mine, and searching my face. I think he could tell we were naive.

That's all he ever said, when we got ready to leave. They took us to a dinner show on a boat on the Nile, and to the pyramids, and to the Valley of the Kings. We got them when we first got there because we had no idea how to get around. They drove us here and there and never talked politics to us at all, just that mention, and that look.....at the end.

Before that we drove an Israeli car into the West Bank and my husband kept saying "It's okay if we just stay out of the West Bank" (knowing very well where he was at the time but I was not aware of it.) He parked at the ruins at Jericho and some Palestinian youth (boys) came up and started throwing big rocks at our car.

This is how naive I was at the time ~ I leaned out of the car and said "It's okay, WE ARE NOT JEWISH - we're from America". More rocks.

Sorry if I told that story before......(can't remember whether I did or not) - now back to trying to remember if I'm supposed to be getting lost or to be trying to find myself.......

Why is it that Israel is allowed by the world, to defend against further kidnappings of - soldiers - by Hizbollah, by catastrophically bombing thousands upon thousands of families, homes, entire neighbourhoods?

Why is it that Israel is still acting like the victim it once was, even though it's one of the very few nuclear powers in the world? It is probably second only to America in military strength. It was a daughter of a holocaust victim who first pointed out the victim mentality of Israel to me.

Until Israel recognises that it actually has friends amongst its neighbours as well as across the world, there's no hope. It will continue to over-bomb, over-kill, over-destroy and over-displace.

I honestly believed that Israel would be the nation most likely to demonstrate empathy and compassion towards the displaced. Not to do the displacing. The persecution of the jews is over. Israel has become a vibrant nation with all the advances available to any of the other developed nations of the world.

The victim goes rushing out defending itself against paranoia. Nothing else. The most suspicious person, is the one who is most suspect. A group of suspicious people is a mob. And we all know what mob-mentality can create, don't we?

What a Woman! Cindy Sheehan is there, visibly caring wherever there is injustice over this war on whatever the war is actually about this week. This one affects me greatly because a young Australian has been suffering for five years.

US protesters want Guantanamo Bay shut

January 7, 2007 - 2:29PM

http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/US-protesters-want-Guantanamo-Bay-shut/2007/01/07/1168104859678.html

Israel plans to attack Iran nuke site

January 7, 2007 - 10:54AM

Israel has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran's uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons, Britain's Sunday Times newspaper said.

http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2007/01/small_country_b_1.html

Posted by: DiAnne at January 6, 2007 07:32 PM

DiAnne. I'm so sorry. How on earth did I miss such a long post? Thankyou for this. Between all of you here at DCP, I'm putting a little filler in the giant holes left by my formal and ongoing self-education. If I was exhausted after reading about it, imagine how it has been for the Lebanese of all persuasions who have lived it through the millenia.

Lebanon is the crossroad to Syria, Jordan, Israel, and Gaza. So all countries want their arm of the signpost, while at the same time, the Lebanese people are a mix of all these nations and more. It's also accessible across the Mediterranean sea, so there are plenty of others who have staked their claims on Lebanon.

Perhaps the real access to all of these countries is through Syria, but when you take a look at the huge expanse of Syria by comparison with Lebanon, it's not surprising that Lebanon was relegated to a common-ownership patch of ground. All with interest in the region need to be seen as the dominant force.

It's hard to identify the core, the soul, of Lebanon. It means much to many who live there, each with differing origins. But with so many making demands on Lebanon and swallowing it up bit by bit, it is remarkable that it has withstood so much abuse from so many directions. I've always wondered why I get so passionate and distressed about Lebanon and the Lebanese. Maybe this is the reason.

Now, this discussion keeps my mind going back to a book. It's a book for children to ancients. It's a lesson in the resilience of the human spirit. It's about a group of women and children in a concentration camp.

How can such a story be so beautiful and full of such love and hope? Well, read this book and you will know. It is exceptional. It is written by Australian author, Margaret Wild and illustrated by Australian illustrator, Julie Vivas (breathtaking) and its title is Let the Celebrations Begin.

If we can't learn from experience, then let us learn from these women and children. And let us stop the brutality we inflict on each other.

I enjoy this site for the concentration of smart & interesting people.

Posted by: DiAnne at January 6, 2007 11:29 PM

Me too. I have been lurking for awhile with not much to say as I have been ridiculously busy with work. I wish I could contribute more, but am always grateful for the excellent information I read here.

This just dropped into my mailbox. What a morning wake-up call.

Revealed: Israel Plans Nuclear Strike on Iran
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/010707Z.shtml
Israel has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran's uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons. Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear "bunker-busters," according to several Israeli military sources. The attack would be the first with nuclear weapons since 1945, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Israeli weapons would each have a force equivalent to one-fifteenth of the Hiroshima bomb.

As Jewish, I did not feel at home last October at an Oak Park, IL bar mitzvah, because of the congregants misguided approval at whatever Israel does is okay, as defensive, especially by its lobby. I don't know what to make of this story.

Knowing what we do about how we get into wars, as a world-wide complicity and planted evidence like the Niger Forgeries, or hyping a threat, never proving the threat, what does this mean?

Scott Ritter, who is never wrong, it seems, said this was a done deal last spring, and we have military already over there in the sea near Iran.

We may have the war powers act, but how do we curb both Bush and Ohlmert, who seem in cahoots, if this is true?

Today we are deeply concerned about Iran and what seems to be bubbling up in Washington about plans to begin the next phase. But the two issues that jump out at me from this thread are related to the entire Bush debacle in the ME:

The first is the historical mismatch between Israel and the rest of the ME (even though each ME country has had its own share of ethnic divisions and exploitation of citizens). My friend Debra Heifetz-Yahav did her dissertation in Israel on the cultural collisions between Israeli and Palestinian soldiers and their generals during the joint border patrols after the Oslo Peace Accords. What she found was that the soldiers could adapt to the varying cultural styles between the two armies, but not if the generals were present. And the generals could not adapt at all. Debra showed us the video she shot of Israeli generals trying desperately, in their direct, narrow and bound ways (nonverbal stuff) to get the Palestinian generals to give them specific terms or outcomes. The Palestinian generals try desperately, in their expansive, accommodating and fluid ways to get the Israelis to listen more openly and be less directive. It's a tragic piece of film because it unpacks all the reasons why war becomes inevitable to both sides. And we in the US, especially under the current leadership, fall into the trap woz describes above of believing our way is the best way. This is what bites us in the ass every time.

Secondly, we have a terrible time focusing on more than one crisis at a time and we rarely (as a culture) take the time to analyze the connections and patterns inherent in the flow of time and confluence of events. The DCP posters seem especially able at doing this but let's face it, this site is under-trafficked. (Maybe we need to get out more.) Last night we had friends over for dinner and the topic turned to the ME and Iran and Lebanon and the fact that the Persian Gulf is getting filled up with (at least two) US aircraft carriers. This horrifying note was followed with a disagreement about the Dems in Congress and whether the incremental power-building approach of Nancy Pelosi will be effective in ending the Iraq War or whether the new Dem leadership ought to be screaming from the rafters for impeachment, bringing the troops home immediately and initiating diplomacy instead of thuggery.

(Guess which side I was on).

It's all related and part of a pattern so disturbing that I simply do not know what to do, and so I come here and am reassured that at least a few of us can think this through. The last week has given me so much hope and so much despair that I cannot even begin to think about what to do next, but I do know that I feel better after coming here.