Impeach or Not Impeach?

Fitz! (A reason to impeach Cheney anyways.)

and to quote Jesselyn Radack, "ITM*N"!!!

Thank you all for your kind words for my family.

We are grateful in ways I could never articulate. Just simply yall paying attention to it is like watching our dearest wish come true.

It is so odd to think of how my family literally has been hunting a killer for so many years. It only really seems real when you look at face after face of those that never made it home.

There are so many of them, at times, lots of times, the only thing you feel you can do is cry for them. There are so many it feels like you ae betraying them simply because the details are overwhlming and you can not really keep all of them straight.

We always knew Alines case was much bigger than Aline herself. It is more about the status quo and the way things are here. Aline was a nobody to hem. So was Wanda Hudson who was butchured just for them to find.

Our family is certain he left Wandas body for them to fnd, just to say 'Look what I can do and no one will stop me'.

We can now prove the sitting DA in Red Rivr Parish went straight for the little 15 year old Katherine "Fuzzy" Hayes as soon as he took office in 1980. He was trying to have her arrested AND COMMITTED TO A MENTAL FACILITY, 2 months before she convienantly was killed by a serial kller that same DA helped cover up atleast two more muders for him. (Alines and Wanda)

What does it all mean?

I wish to God I knew why they are doing this.

One day Jutice will return o the deep south, d when it does, it will kill all the old ways, and a New South will be born.

But until then, the body count will only continue to grow.

The Dead Zone.

Good Lord, it is a nightmare that just will not stop until someone with as much power as they have stops them.

Lt. Col. accuses generals of Iraq failure
Active duty Army officer takes rare action of going public with criticisms

Updated: 21 minutes ago

BAGHDAD (AP) - An active duty U.S. Army officer has taken the unusual step of openly criticizing the way generals have handled the Iraq war, accusing them of failing to prepare their forces for an insurgency and misleading Congress about the situation here.

"For reasons that are not yet clear, America's general officer corps underestimated the strength of the enemy, overestimated the capabilities of Iraq's government and security forces, and failed to provide Congress with an accurate assessment of security conditions in Iraq," Lt. Col. Paul Yingling wrote in an article published Friday in the Armed Forces Journal.

"In 2007, Iraq's grave and deteriorating condition offers diminishing hope for an American victory and portends an even wider and more destructive regional war," he said.

Several retired U.S. generals have delivered similar criticism, questioning planning for the Iraq conflict as well as the management competence of former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

But public criticism from an active duty officer is rare and may be a sign of growing discontent among military leaders at a critical time in the troubled U.S. military mission here.

Petition campaign
An anti-war group, Appeal for Redress, says about 2,000 active duty personnel and veterans have signed a petition calling for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq.

One of its founders, Navy Petty Officer Jonathan Hutto, has said 60 percent of the members have served in Iraq. There are about 1.4 million active-duty personnel in the U.S. military.

In the article, Yingling, deputy commander of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, wrote that the generals went into Iraq prepared for a high-tech conventional war but with too few soldiers.

They also had no coherent plan for postwar stabilization and failed to tell the American public about the intensity of the insurgency.

"The intellectual and moral failures common to America's general officer corps in Vietnam and Iraq constitute a crisis in American generalship," said Yingling, who has served two tours in Iraq as well as in Bosnia and the 1991 Gulf War.

more...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18354465/

In my mind, whether or not IMPEACHMENT is the *right* thing to do was settled even before the last "election" based on the lies we've been told (and lying is an impeachable offense - that's what the Cons said when they went after Clinton like a pack of wild rabid dogs for lying about his adultery, so there is precedent for impeaching a president for lying) and the illegal war crime of invading another country and war crime of approving torture and setting up prison camps at Gitmo. Lying that leads to the deaths of many innocent military and civilian peoples is more reprehensible than lying about adultery (which was a private issue between a husband and a wife, and Congress Critters had no business sticking their noses into a private matter). But that's just my opinion.

IMHO, impeaching Cheney first and Bush second is morally, ethically, legally, and constitutionally the *right* thing to do. Many, many people have LONG lists of IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES drawn up already. It just takes an act of Congress to start the process...!!!

Passing all the questinable and illegal legislation the White House proposed took place in record time. Suddenly, when the topic of IMPEACHMENT comes up, most Congress Critters become deaf and dumb, or they get that befuddled and addled look on their faces like Reagan had while in office when he was in the early stages of Alzheimer's.

It would NOT be a "distraction" from the "war on ter'r" to conduct IMPEACHMENT proceedings, but it would highlight the lies and the lying liars who started the illegal war in the first place, and it might end the war sooner!!! Right now there is no end in sight for Bush's illegal war, and his aim is to continue his war indefinitely. That needs to stop, and repeatedly exposing the lies and the war crimes is the morally *right* thing to do (and maybe it would give Lamestream Media bobble heads something valid to talk about for a change, even if they have to be dragged to the subject kicking and screaming about all the extra work they have to do while researching the lies and war crimes; they don't seem to know how Google functions or where to find the long lists of IMPEACHABLE offenses others have already drawn up, and they must have lost the phone numbers for Conyers and Kucinich who have papers drawn up already).

Short of jamming email inboxes of Congress Critters or signing petitions, I'm not sure what else I could do. Their silence on the matter indicates to me they are certainly not listening to their constituents, nor do they seem aware of the FACT that there are so many people outside the Beltway Bubble who are demanding IMPEACHMENT. Their silence about IMPEACHMENT makes me wonder about their sanity and how much money they're getting from oil (and other) corporations - which makes me wonder about just how corrupt they are, Dems included. If power and corporate money have corrupted them absolutely, we need to elect new Congress Critters and retire the old (corrupt) farts.

I do fantasize about hanging brilliant neon wallpaper in their offices with the word IMPEACH written on it, however.....

I know IMPEACHMENT is a serious issue, not to be taken lightly. That's why it NEEDS to be done!!! If we can't get rid of the criminals "leading" this country to ruin, then we deserve the dictatorship waiting just around the corner....

If we can't get our Congress Critters to act rationally, then I hope The Hague tries them for war crimes. The Hague prosecutors likely have more rational and common sense thinking processes than our Congress Critters have displayed over the last six years.

IMHO, of course.

Posted by: Christy at April 27, 2007 03:03 PM

Hang in there, Christy. You're right: one day, justice will return to the south. And you will have played a large role in making that happen.

Namaste.

Personally, I think impeachment is a dead issue - short of some kind of spectacular revelation (and yes, I mean more spectacular than what is already out there) that causes a sea-change among independents, especially with the 2008 election only 18 months away.

An impeachment that is perceived as driven by partisans could definitely backfire, and throw the House and Senate back into GOP hands by 2009. And the votes for conviction in the Senate likely don't exist.

I heard one of the pundits on MSNBC last night, during the post-debate roundup, mention that Nancy Pelosi has removed from the current Bill a component that would forbid Bush to attack Iran without first receiving an authorization from Congress. Maybe it was Scarborough or Buchanan who brought it up. I don't remember which.

With Hillary and several other 2008 candidates talking tough, and threatening Iran with military action, it's going to be hard to make the popular case that Bush's behavior rises to a level that warrants removal before the end of his term. If the Democratic leadership had drawn a bright line in the sand, and set up a confrontation where Bush would explicitly, and willfully, be violating the Constitution, that would be another matter. The need for a Declaration of War before attacking Iran would be that kind of bright line.

The Democrats are, once again, providing Bush with political cover via their neo-con lite stance. Our military is exhausted, and surrounded by Shiites everywhere in Iraq - and yet nearly every major candidate is threatening to bomb the Shiites' only ally in the region.

How exactly do we emerge triumphant by making the Iranians appear sympathetic, as we made Hussein appear sympathetic - especially when you consider that the US almost assuredly doesn't have the intelligence required to locate and destroy Iran's covert nuclear labs? What would be the point of attacking Iran unless you were sure that you would get all of their covert laboratories? There's no point, except the usual mindless militarism that has failed in Iraq, and will fail again elsewhere unless backed by superior intelligence, and both NATO and the UN.

If the Hillary Clintons and John Edwards of the world at least articulated a position that was significantly different than the President's, and based their opposition on a Constitutional prerogative, then you'd have a legitimate issue. But among the current candidates, no one but Kucinich is even willing to do that. And Kucinich is not taken seriously.

The truth is we can't sell a Bush or Cheney impeachment, and then removal from office, to the American people. The GOP still controls enough of the media to get their story out, and turn it against us. And with the Democratic leadership apparently refusing to stand on principle, or even the Constitution, they allow Bush to look ever more like the Commander-in-Chief that he has proven spectacularly unqualified to serve as.

Another #2...

Al-Qaida official seen as major catch for U.S.
Close confidant to bin Laden, al-Zawahiri headed for Guantanamo Bay

MSNBC and NBC News
Updated: 4 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A senior al-Qaida commander who was handed over to U.S. custody this week is believed to be a close confidant of Osama bin Laden who has provided U.S. intelligence officials with hundreds of important leads into al-Qaida’s operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, U.S. officials said Friday.

The man, identified as Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi, an Iraqi Kurd, has been implicated in several al-Qaida attempts to assassinate prominent world leaders and is believed to have launched attacks on U.S. and coalition forces from Pakistan.

Bryan Whitman, a spokesman for the Defense Department, said al-Hadi was “one of the organization’s key paramilitary commanders in Afghanistan” when he was detained. Intelligence officials told NBC News’ Jim Miklaszewski on condition of anonymity that he was captured late last year while on his way to Iraq, where he was to assume a leading role in al-Qaida’s operations in the country.

more...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18350966/

Posted by: Matthew Carnicelli at April 27, 2007 03:50 PM

Yeah, what he said.

For all of you who are Bill Moyers fans, the blurb for tonight's show description:

Jon Stewart discusses “The Daily Show” and why many viewers get their news and analysis from it. Also: blogger Joshua Micah Marshall (talkingpointsmemo.com) on the firing of eight U.S. attorneys; Italian investigative reporter Carlo Bonini.

Check your local listings. It's on at 8 p.m. in my local market with repeats at 1 & 3 a.m.

Call me Hamlet, because I still don't know. For me, the question is not if it's justifiable (it damn well is!), but, if it were to happen, who will clean up the mess? Will impeachment stop the war? Will impeachment stop the corruption?

Ideally, I'd rather see Congress act in a way that forces the administration to get it's act together. I don't have a lot of faith that it will happen, but, for me, that's the cornerstone of the issue.

Posted by: Matthew Carnicelli at April 27, 2007 03:50 PM

Accepting the status quo, with media help and propaganda, also keeps the Cons in power. Sheeple vote for the ones who get the most publicity; they don't study the issues (and no one is confident about elections any longer because of rigged e-voting machines). If they bother to vote at all, sheeple vote for the one they think everyone else is voting for (just like they went along with their peer groups when they were 12 years old), and that would be the last one they hear about in Lamestream Media infotainment snooze. They're more likely to vote for their favorite American Idol than they are to vote in a general election - at least they know the names of the contestants on American Idol (or whatever), whereas they have no idea who is running for political office in this country.

No matter how I look at it, we're screwed. I fully expect Cons and compromised Dems will be elected across the board in '08, that the current "even" balance of power will be maintained in the Senate and the House, and that we will never get out of Iraq or close Gitmo, for starters. That makes the US a third-world terrorist nation.

I no longer expect our Congress Critters will wake up and do the right thing by removing the top criminals in office; they didn't make their move in January this year, and they continue to drag their feet. I do fully expect we will devolve into a dictatorship by the '08 election cycle (and I've considered the likelihood that Georgie or Dickie will precipitate a catastrophe that will prompt them to declare martial law and cancel elections). There was an article in a MN web site (I no longer remember which paper; I posted the link many threads back) that says law enforcement officials anticipated "arresting thousands of demonstrators" when the RNC meets in the Cities in '08 and law enforcement is asking for funds from Homeland Security to cover the costs. Thousands?!? Wherever will they put them? Gitmo?

The only "hope" I hold out now is for The Hague to arrest the top criminals "leading" this country and trying them for war crimes (if they actually leave their offices, if the next election actually happens). No one in this country (media or politicians or pundits) seems to be contemplating the consequences of leaving the top criminals in power. They all know about the lies, the war crimes, yet they are doing NOTHING to stop them, which just gives them more power and a license to continue their crimes and lies....

Posted by: Matthew Carnicelli at April 27, 2007 03:50 PM

PS... If the election were held tomorrow, I'd vote for Kucinich....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/slavery-in-guantanamo_b_46984.html
Slavery in Guantanamo
{Excellent essay.}

Karen J. Greenberg | Can Guantanamo Be Closed?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042707D.shtml
For all prospective Gitmo closers, the question remains: What are we going to do with individuals the Bush administration doesn't pretend to have sufficient evidence to try (even under its own deficient military commission process), but who, officials claim, are too full of potentially useful information to release?

http://news.yahoo.com/comics/uclickcomics/20070427/cx_nq_uc/nq20070427
Non Sequitur

Bush Administration Targeted Another Top Federal Prosecutor
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042707B.shtml
The Bush administration considered firing the former US attorney in Minnesota as well, but he left his job voluntarily before the list of attorneys to be ousted was completed, two Congressional aides said Thursday.

Posted by: democrafty at April 27, 2007 05:05 PM

In my best-of-all-possible worlds scenario, the remaining adults in the GOP convince Bush that we need the planet on our side if we hope to stabilize Iraq and stare down Iran, and that will only happen once Dubya is gone. Cheney resigns, is replaced by a John Warner, and then Dubya resigns - with Warner or some other GOP adult finishing out the last 15 months or so of this Presidency.

The reality is that even long-time allies must be taking great satisfaction at watching Dubya's Presidency go down in flames; and the only hope we have to building a new international coalition against everyone's legitimate enemies is for the Bush era to be over as soon as possible.

But Dubya, like Clinton, would never resign, and if impeached, he would definitely go to trial in the Senate.

The reality is that even long-time allies must be taking great satisfaction at watching Dubya's Presidency go down in flames; and the only hope we have to building a new international coalition against everyone's legitimate enemies is for the Bush era to be over as soon as possible.

Posted by: Matthew Carnicelli at April 27, 2007 05:37 PM

While it would be true of most of the world (i.e. UK under Blair, Germany under Merkel, France soon-to-be-under Sarko), I am very well convinced that our Confucian "buddies" in South Korea (Grand National Party and the New Right Foundation) and Taiwan (Kuomintang) would still love a W presidency. They both need an "older brother" regime to worship, and a neocon W regime fits the bill perfectly.

PS... If the election were held tomorrow, I'd vote for Kucinich....

Posted by: NonnyO at April 27, 2007 05:09 PM

So would I. But then, I'd have to re-enter the Democratic Party first, as I had left the party and become an independent, post-2004.

Re-joining the Democrats is something I am a bit hesitant to do right now, due to the leadership still not making a clear case against the W regime.

That makes the US a third-world terrorist nation.

Posted by: NonnyO at April 27, 2007 05:08 PM

We already are, between our lack of universal healthcare, our pre-emptive wars, our puppet states worldwide, and our meddling in foreign politics.

Sad, isn't it?

Posted by: Ally McRepuke at April 27, 2007 06:15 PM
Sad, isn't it?
Posted by: Ally McRepuke at April 27, 2007 06:21 PM

I'll vote for the people who advocate stopping the war, bringing the troops home ASAP, closing Gitmo, and impeaching Dumb and Dumber. Their illegal wars are gobbling up monies that could be used for health care, education, and other things that could benefit the people of this nation (list of things already well-known by everyone here). To have money for the latter, we must rid ourselves of the dictator wannabes. As is, for many generations, we will be repaying the loans for the supplemental spending bills that have financed the illegal war and occupation in Iraq, so real change and financing domestic programs likely can't happen for many years (maybe not in my lifetime).

But to accomplish anything positive without going down the drain with Georgie and Dickie and their dictator wannabe aspirations, we must first rid ourselves of the top criminals before they set up an actual dictatorship and start a world war with nuclear consequences. (And I very much fear they will do just that by fall '08 if the status quo continues unabated.)

The sooner the majority of our Congress Critters (of either party) figure that out, the better off we'll be. Right now they appear to be swimming in qucksand - and taking us down with them.

To quote you: "Sad, isn't it?"

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/27/daily-show-monica-goodling-and-pat-robertson-university/
Daily Show: Monica Goodling and Pat Robertson University
{ROTFLMAO!}

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/27/daily-show-whos-to-blame-for-vatech-massacre/
Daily Show: Who’s to Blame for VATech Massacre?

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/27/senator-feingold-corrects-john-roberts-misinformation/
Senator Feingold Corrects John Roberts’ Misinformation

Call me Hamlet, because I still don't know. For me, the question is not if it's justifiable (it damn well is!), but, if it were to happen, who will clean up the mess? Will impeachment stop the war? Will impeachment stop the corruption?

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I am beginning to ask myself whether the war can be stopped WITHOUT impeaching or removing Bush. Congress can cut back funding for the military but doesn't Bush ultimately decide where the troops are placed.

The is talk of revoking the authorization of force passed by Congress. This may have to be done as well - perhaps shaming and embarrassing the president to do the right thing...

I don't have a voice or a vote on this or any other issue in the United States. I came here soon after your mid-term elections last year. One of the very first statements that jumped out to me, and became an oft-used quote of mine, came from an otter who paw-printed on this blog,

"Bush put his hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. He did not put his hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."

Many Australians and, I suspect, folks from other democratic nations, have been appalled by the slaughter, criminal activity and utter mayhem with the most tragic consequences this world has ever known. All of it; ALL of it can be attributed to Bush's own hand.

Following your mid-term elections, the dominant position of Dems and neocons in both houses, gave us cheer. Many people shouted in glee, convinced that Bush's days were numbered! Now there is a collective long, deep sigh. Nothing changed.

From across the world there are pleas for impeachment. Nothing less will suffice for many of the victims of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. The hatred against America has been exacerbated in the last few years and has now reached feverish pitch. This hatred will not die down with a change of leader. It is growing day by day.

Impeachment?

I wish.

Posted by: woz at April 27, 2007 08:31 PM

Fit to govern!
No, not to live. O nation miserable,
With an untitled tyrant bloody-scepter'd,
When shalt thou see thy wholesome days again,
Since that the truest issue of thy throne
By his own interdiction stands accursed,
And does blaspheme his breed? Thy royal father
Was a most sainted king: the queen that bore thee,
Oftener upon her knees than on her feet,
Died every day she lived. Fare thee well!
These evils thou repeat'st upon thyself
Have banish'd me from Scotland. O my breast,
Thy hope ends here!

BTW: ON TOPIC!!!

There are three demonstrations planned for Michigan tomorrow: Ann Arbor, Grand Rapids and Kalamazoo. A fourth is proposed in Lansing.

We will be stationed at a freeway overpass with signs and flags.. I should check what the weather will be tomorrow..

Some protests are supposedly hiring planes to fly IMPEACH banners!!!

THE USE OF THE WORD "SURRENDER"

I heard the Senate Republicans use this word over and over again referring to the Iraq timetable by legislation proposed by the Democrats. I became very annoyed at this inflammatory and obstructionist language, so I started to call Republican Senators press secretaries to 1) confirm that they were using the word and 2) to ask whether the debate about the war should slip into name calling, because many people, myself included think that Mr. Bush is a LIAR and WAR CRIMINAL etc...

I get throught to one Senators press secretary who took my phone and website down and said she would call back. AND SHE DID CALL BACK, AMAZINGLY. She said an aide to the Senator would call me on Monday to further discuss the issue.

Now I Am A Journalist!!!! I am going to have to prepare... for the interview... write questions.. take notes... I probably should record it....

Personally, I think impeachment is a dead issue - short of some kind of spectacular revelation (and yes, I mean more spectacular than what is already out there) that causes a sea-change among independents, especially with the 2008 election only 18 months away.

An impeachment that is perceived as driven by partisans could definitely backfire, and throw the House and Senate back into GOP hands by 2009. And the votes for conviction in the Senate likely don't exist.

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REMEMBER NIXON"S impeachment/resignation... Nixon was tremendously popular in 1972 - after the China trip and the landslide election. But the revelations of crimes, misconduct and rampant corruption kept coming. In little over one year Nixon went from being popular and respected to distrusted and despised.

Bush appears to be following the same trajectory..

Ralpheh
You're right. Words are just words. The neocons are better at playing mind games than the dems it seems. Once there was, "If you aren't with us, you're with the terrorists." And the multitudes allowed fear to dominate reason and continued to uphold this utterly ridiculous notion. Then there was, "withhold the funding and you endanger, hurt and disrespect our troops." And the multitudes can't abide hurting the troops, so submissively the funding is passed. And now, the biggest insult of all.

Troop withdrawal = surrender.

Surrender? The multitudes don't want a surrender. Surrender means that we are at the beck and call of the victors. US/Japan WW2. Withdrawal doesn't mean surrender. But the multitudes don't think. Again. Take this gigantic, monstrous issue, down, down, down through nations, states, cities, localities, homes, families and the case can be made.

As a mother of two sons, born 18months apart, I was frequently called upon to referee a dispute. Neither side would give in. As my kids got older, I required that each child give me the argument of the other. I was the arbiter. I didn't know what happened. I didn't see it. At first it was hopeless. They each shouted over the other and I would walk from the room. Eventually they'd come in, absolute rage and death threats pouring from their mouths (well, only one made death threats). By the time they'd given the other's argument, the rage had drained and the conflict was over.

Bush's arrogance over not negotiating with his enemies - perceived or actual - is destructive to your country. Without the talk, the United States has no power to draw any conflict to a conclusion. And without the talk, all that remains is violence and bullying, murder and mayhem. The orange and the green of Northern Ireland have finally agreed to talk - not shake hands - but talk is a good place to start. If he won't talk for his country, then President Bush does not deserve to be your leader and the sooner he is toppled from his self-constructed-ivory-tower, the better off we will all be.

And please - don't give the talking post to Condi. She has the same arrogant and condescending manner of her boss. Her patronising ridicule of the Russians in the last few days, has been sickening.

Words - this all began with words - Weapons Of Mass Destruction; nuclear enrichment programs; al Quida; Saddam Hussein; yellow-cake. Let it end with words. How on earth can the United States pursue victory when its very presence in Iraq is fanning the flames? Withdrawal does not equal surrender. Withdrawal=sanity.

Please, do yourselves a favor and watch Bill Moyers' Journal...!!!

OMFG. It was like a hurricane of oxygen watching the conversation between Moyers and Stewart. I'm now watching the interview with Josh Marshall. The deconstructing between Moyers and Stewart was spectacular. It's as good with Marshall.

You will LOVE this!!!

I'm going to watch at least one of the reruns in the middle of the night.....

Is there somewhere online that I can see the Moyers/Stewart conversation Nonny?

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2007/04/coming_up_on_bmj_jon_stewart.html#comments

woz - not the whole show, but there is a clip at the above link. Click on Stewart's photo for it to play.....

IMPEACH PLANES scheduled for tomorrow's protests:

Los Angeles, CA

Get Directions: to here - from here
View Photos ()An ImpeachPlane will tow a giant "IMPEACH!"
banner for three hours along the shore between Malibu and Dana Point

New Jersey Impeach plane

New York City Impeach plane

St. Petersburg, FL, Impeach Plane

New Orleans, LA Impeach plane

Atlanta GEorgia Impeach plane

IMPEACH PLANES:

Los Angeles, CA

Get Directions: to here - from here
View Photos ()An ImpeachPlane will tow a giant "IMPEACH!"
banner for three hours along the shore between Malibu and Dana Point

New Jersey Impeach plane

New York City Impeach plane

St. Petersburg, FL, Impeach Plane

New Orleans, LA Impeach plane

Atlanta GEorgia Impeach plane

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/former-spy-boss-turns-on-bush-team/2007/04/27/1177459979053.html
Former spy boss turns on Bush team
Michael Gawenda, Washington
April 28, 2007

Tell me, does President Bush EVER see or read all the negatives being written and screened about him and his administration? History is already being written by his own country-men and women. He said, history doesn't bother him because he'd be dead when it's written. I've never known an American president to generate such an amount of disgust and loathing towards him. And the facts of the moment are out there - they will be the history.

I'd like someone to make him read and see these things.

Impeachment is not the 'dead' issue here.

The 'dead' are the issue.

Over half a million are dead for nothing but lies and money, and instead of holding someone to account, here we are still arguing about how much of a bother it would be to do just that.

I have heard it said impeaching him is a 'waste of time'.

I still am haunted by what those who died today because of him would think of such a statement. And those that will die for him tommorrow?

I shutter in my soul at the thought of how badly we have failed thoe who will not be saved.

I know we are supposed to pretend if we do nothing, then everything will just work itself out. But every death proves that not only wrong, but horrificaly wrong.

Every day he siezes more power. Every day on TV we so called 'liberals' are blamed for every wrong doing he has committed, and even now they are escalating the rhetoric against us while we stand there helpless in the face of it.

The idea that it would be a 'partisian' act I believe is sheer fiction. A talking point introduced by republicas who want you to believe he is bigger than he actually is.

Some of his most disgusting acts of tyranny has actually been directed at other republcans and they know it as clearly as any liberal watching does.

The polls clearly show only the most delusional and illiterate are willing to defend him.

This is not about right and left, this is about upholding and defending the US Constitution at all costs.

And it still makes me ill to see that we are still unsure how to do so when our Founding Fathers gave us the very remedy to this very situation.

Treason, Bribery, and oter High Crimes and misdomeanors.

There should never have been a question that he is above and beyond the reach of law, but here we are, still arguing about it while people are dying by the thousands and hundreds of thousands.

I say if there is no reason to impeach him, if it can not be done, there is no reason to ever mention the US Constitution again.

His presence there mocks it, and renders it moot.

Every day he remains in power, takes us farther and farther away from the nation we once were. And soon the day will come, were we can never, ever find our way home again.

I know there will still be those that say "But, But, Christy..."

But you know what? None of that will stop him from killing he innocent and fouling our own souls with the scent of torture.

I am so tired of this question being bandied about.

Either do something that will save our nation, or let our nation die.

Either way, the time for wondering about it has come and gone.

Save it, or admit we will let our beloved country die for HIM.

I used to hope it would be saved, but I seriously no longer believe that.

By the time we all quit arguing about it, it will be far too late.

Canada abandons Kyoto:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6600585.stm

Such is what happens when you vote a carbon copy of W (Stephen Harper, in Canada's case) into power.

Posted by: Christy at April 27, 2007 11:36 PM

Thanks, Christy.

I have an easy out - I can leave the country, just like the way I came in. (After all, I came in on a special Reagan favor, so I didn't even come in clean.)

However, for those who have been born and raised, and have lived, in the US all their lives, the stakes are MUCH higher, and the country must be saved.

My relationship to the US is like a marriage, and for those who were born in the US, the relationship is more like a parent and a child. A bad marriage can be dissolved or annulled, but disowning a parent/child is NOT easy.

The stakes are high for most of us. Make sure your country is saved from W's destruction, and make sure that nobody will be able to destroy it again.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/27/colbert-asks-americans-to-sacrifice/
Colbert Asks Americans to Sacrifice

Video Proves Most Democratic Presidential Candidates' Are A Sick Joke
1 Minute Video
Despite their opposition to the war, none of the candidates would join fellow candidate Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio in urging impeachment of Vice President Dick Cheney.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17608.htm

{{{Okay. Kucinich gets my vote. The rest are all rank cowards.}}}

Posted by: Christy at April 27, 2007 11:36 PM

Christy, your passion and clear common sense were among the first contributions to the DCP that I looked forward to each day. Your return last night and again today (my time) highlighted just what I've missed. I'm so glad that you are here again. You have the courage to say what those who don't belong to the United States can think, but never say.

Continue to say your piece. Shout it from the rooftops. Don't stop. You are permitted to say it. I'm not. I agree with you completely. The talk goes on while thousands die. Pathetic. I found Pelosi's promise not to impeach, to be gutless in the extreme.

One day Jutice will return to the deep south, and when it does, it will kill all the old ways, and a New South will be born.

But until then, the body count will only continue to grow.

The Dead Zone.

Good Lord, it is a nightmare that just will not stop until someone with as much power as they have stops them.

Posted by: Christy at April 27, 2007 03:03 PM

Sometimes, when the smaller picture is so grim, the bigger picture looks insurmountable. Within a few days of my first encounter at the DCP, I read about Aline. Not much of it made sense to me because I didn't understand or know anything of these happenings. Over the last few days I have tried to piece a little more of this bizarre and horrific story, together.

I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me Aline's story - and about all of the others too. You can email me directly. I already feel disturbed by this story and I'm pleased that it is getting brought into the public arena for discussion and condemnation. Eventually the guilty will pay.

April 28, 2007
Editorial
The Abstinence-Only Delusion
Reliance on abstinence-only sex education as the primary tool to reduce teenage pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases — as favored by the Bush administration and conservatives in Congress — looks increasingly foolish and indefensible.

The abstinence-only campaign has always been driven more by ideology than by sound public health policy. The program’s tight rules, governing states that accept federal matching funds and community organizations that accept federal grants, forbid the promotion of contraceptive use and require teaching that sex outside marriage is likely to have harmful psychological and physical effects.

At least nine states, by one count, have decided to give up the federal matching funds rather than submit to dictates that undermine sensible sex education. Now there is growing evidence that the programs have no effect on children’s sexual behavior.

A Congressionally mandated report issued this month by the Mathematica Policy Research firm found that elementary and middle school students in four communities who received abstinence instruction — sometimes on a daily basis — were just as likely to have sex in the following years as students who did not get such instruction. Those who became sexually active — about half of each group — started at the same age (14.9 years on average) and had the same number of sexual partners. The chief caveat is that none of the four programs studied continued the abstinence instruction into high school, the most sexually active period for most teenagers, so it is not known whether more sustained abstinence education would show more effectiveness.

- more -

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/28/opinion/28sat1.html

Tenet: White House eyed Iraq long before 9/11
Book by ex-CIA chief highly critical of Cheney; Bush official rejects claims

White House and Pentagon officials, and particularly Vice President Cheney, were determined to attack Iraq from the first days of the Bush administration, long before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and repeatedly stretched available intelligence to build support for the war, according to a new book by former CIA director George J. Tenet.

Although Tenet does not question the threat Saddam Hussein posed or the sincerity of administration beliefs, he recounts numerous efforts by aides to Cheney and then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to insert "crap" into public justifications for the war. Tenet also describes an ongoing fear within the intelligence community of the administration's willingness to "mischaracterize complex intelligence information."

more...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18348452/

Impeach?

Posted by: monkey at April 28, 2007 09:12 AM

The video clip of Tenet talks ahout "Honorable" behavior. You can practically see the steam eminating from Tenant.

When will they begin impeachment hearings? When will everyone get up and make those in office stop playing politics and instead show the courage of their convictions and impeach the guys for what they have done to murder our young men and women? They are traitors. They are what our 'forfathers' warned us about.

*Tenet not Tenant*

If this is how our young service men and women of Australia are returning, how is it for the returned military of the US? The casualties aren't the dead alone. The lives of all who have survived this outrageous war are forever changed.

Soldier suicides spark inquiry call
April 28, 2007 - 11:09PM

There are calls for an inquiry into the mental health of Australian soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan after a number of suicides.

The federal government acknowledges two soldiers killed themselves after returning from the Middle East, but veterans activists say there have been as many as five, The Sun-Herald reports.

Fearing there will be more soldier suicides, families, war veterans and MPs are demanding an independent inquiry after the suicides believed to have been caused by post-traumatic stress.

To date 121 soldiers returned from the Middle East have been discharged for mental illness, the newspaper reports.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Soldier-suicides-spark-inquiry-call/2007/04/28/1177460050652.html

woz, while I might be given credit for quoting that remark about Constitutions and Bibles here on the blog, I'm not the author of it. That honor belongs to Jamie Raskin, as noted here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gene-stone/a-rare-moment-of-sense_b_17347.html

Woz,

The story of Christy's aunt is a very sad one. Basically her aunt was killed 24 years ago but her killer was never identified until this last July.

See her posts in this thread...

Posted by: Christy at July 27, 2006 09:44 PM

Posted by: Christy at July 27, 2006 11:26 PM

Posted by: Christy at July 28, 2006 02:16 AM

Posted by: Christy at July 28, 2006 12:08 PM

http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2006/07/the_war_pornogr.html

and in this thread:

Posted by: Christy at July 29, 2006 12:17 AM

http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2006/07/happy_fridaynow.html

and in this thread:

Posted by: Christy at July 30, 2006 10:12 AM

Posted by: Christy at July 30, 2006 10:47 AM

http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2006/07/suz_i_will_edit.html

This post gives a little more detail about the announcement of the killer's identity in July 2006.

Posted by: Christy at November 30, 2006 10:49 PM
http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2006/11/iraq_study_grou.html

and here's a blog that Christy set up in honor of her aunt:

http://fayealineself.blogspot.com/

The story of why it took so long for the killer to be identified is one of unbelievable tragedy for her family and for the families of others. That is what is finally being documented per Christy's most recent posts about the report on KTBS.

Posted by: Christy at April 27, 2007 01:32 AM
http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2007/04/who_will_be_the_1.html

Christy, hope you don't mind that I tried to answer Woz's questions.

Sending you (((hugs)))

Ty Woz.

And Ally, your analogy of us born citizens as a parent/child thing is right on the money.

I really only came back for Aline, I did not mean to get into an impeachment debate again, it is becoming too heartbreaking for me.

When I see his face, everytime I see him, I can feel my soul wither just that much more. The anger of what he is doing is too much to bear at times.

I will write out Alines story for you Woz. You are right it is bizarre but, we learn to live with things, ya know?

In many ways, her story mirrors what is happening nationally. It is about corruption at the highest levels and the utter betrayal of those who were supposed to protect the innocent.

It is a horrible story and to this day no one wants to believe our nation has such corruption inborn into our societies.

What happened to her, and the others, is still happening, and just like georgie, who is left with enough power to simply make it stop?

All my life I knew this country was really this way wen you pull away the facade, but I still loved it anyway. I still believed it could be changed.

Now that I think about it, I think I wasted a lot of time believing in something that only exists in our dreams.

I wish it were easy for me like it is Ally. I envy her ability to ....leave it behind if need be.

The reality is though, that I have no where else to go, no similar loyaty to fall back on.

My family has stood toe to toe with the most corrupt and deadly police force in the country for over 24 years now. Corrupt DA, corrupt state. We have literally taunted the Dixie Mafia and dared them to say somethng about it.

And now we all have to fight the most corrupt administration and congress this nation has ever seen.

I never thought I would say this, but I am tired of fightng. Justice is the bad punchline of a cruel joke.

Fighing for what?

I do not think any of us really know anymore.

No prob DW.

OMG that is an incredile post. Wow, all the links.

Thank you. Thank you very very much.

One more example of why most professional politics is pure unadulterated bullspin (like we really needed another one, right?):

"By the time Fred Thompson decides whether or not to join the presidential fray, you will have heard the story of his red pickup truck at least a dozen times. The truck in question is a 1990 Chevy, which the famed statesman-thespian rented during his maiden Senate campaign in 1994. The idea was that Thompson would dress up in blue jeans and shabby boots and drive himself to campaign events around the state. Upon arriving, he'd mount the bed of the truck and launch into a homespun riff on the virtues of citizen-legislators and the perils of Washington insider-ism. For good measure, he'd refer to himself in the third person as 'Ol' Fred' and the Chevy as 'this ol' baby.'

"There was no real reason to think the tack would work. In fact, Thompson's own campaign manager dismissed it as "gimmicky and hokey." Thompson, after all, had spent the previous two decades as a well-paid Washington lobbyist and sometime screen actor. He was about as close to being a salt-of-the-earth Southerner as Truman Capote, and it was a stretch to think average Tennesseans wouldn't pick up on the dissonance. And yet the gambit proved wildly, dismayingly successful. Thompson was down big when he initialed his car-rental agreement. He won the race with more than 60 percent of the vote."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/27/opinion/main2734718.shtml

just go south til you smell it and west til you step in it,
Otter

Posted by: Matthew Carnicelli at April 28, 2007 04:31 AM

Speaking of abstinence-only education, what about people like me?

W has ensured that for federal purposes, any marriage I enter into (whether it is with a man or a woman) is an invalid marriage.

Basically W's message is: give up sex altogether.

Posted by: Christy at April 28, 2007 11:42 AM

It's easy for me to leave the mess behind. But where I end up at is just as bad as the US, if not worse.

As you may already know, my country of birth has contributed more to the reactionary politics of the United States of America than any other foreign power.

I am all for declaring the Unification Church, and the New Right Foundation, terrorist threats to American democracy, and by extension, the government of South Korea, if they don't reign them in.

And I am gonna add one more thing...

I hate CONFUCIANISM! You can talk about how violent and corrupt Islam is, but Islam is nothing next to the horrors of Confucianism.

It's also very compatible with Dominionist Christianity. How else do you explain the success of the Dominionists in Korea (the Confucians' own Saudi Arabia) and their failure in Japan (where the Confucians never had a chance).

No, Ally, I did not really mean to imply it would be 'easy' for you.

Maybe 'easier' is more correct.

You have a choice that most of us can never even imagine as our own. Wether you wind up back in Asia or decide on European surroundings, it is not a stuggle for you to adapt culturally. You have already proven you CAN adapt.

I imagine all of your life has been more fluid since you do have another ...loyalty/nationality to fall back on. There is no loss of identity for you.

Someone like me in this country, have never had the opportunity to identify with another way of life. And no matter how bad it gets here, we have no choice but to fight to the death for it, right or wrong.

For us, there are no other choices or opportunities. We are locked in an epic struggle with no out at all.

This is just one otter's opinion. YMMV. (And in this case, it almost certainly will.)

If investigating executive-branch abuses of power with a goal of impeaching Bush, Cheney et al were just a partisan political exercise, a la the Clinton snafu, I'd agree that proceeding with it would be a pointless waste of time and resources.

It's not, though. We're not talking about telling fibs to avoid getting caught with one's britches down here. The current administration has waged a deliberate, systematic campaign of returning power to an imperial presidency -- power that had specifically been taken away from the last imperial presidency in the aftermath of its own impeachment investigations.

There is a growing preponderance of evidence that the Bush White House has treated the Constitution like a meaningless set of vague guidelines that those in power don't have to honor unless it's convenient for them to do so.

Wireless wiretapping of American citizens, rushing to a war of conquest under provably-false pretenses, corporate collusion with big oil and big pharmaceutical companies at the policy level, dismantling of habeas corpus rights in the name of torture in secret overseas prisons, top officials refusing to tell the truth to duly-constituted oversight committees -- the list of potential high crimes and misdemeanors attributable to the highest levels of the executive branch is long, and getting longer every day.

A witch-hunt impeachment campaign for its own sake would indeed be a pointless partisan exercise. But investigation and impeachment as the inevitable outcome of an imperial presidency's hubristic disregard for the Constitution and the core tenets of governmental checks and balances that our democratic republic is built on would not be pointless at all.

Initiating impeachment proceedings against an administration as nakedly corrupt and self-serving as this one is not a partisan exercise -- it's a Constitutional requirement.

Impeaching the Bush administration just for the sake of striking back at its unprecedented imperial arrogance is not the point here. But thoroughly repudiating the Nixonian precedents of untrammeled executive branch power that it has worked so carefully to set back in place is more than just an idealistic goal. It is crucial to restoring the rightful balance of government in this country.

Calling for impeachment proceedings against the imperial presidency that the Bush White House has tried to create for the sake of its own hunger for power is not an exercise. Nor is it optional under the circumstances. It is our necessary duty as citizens under the Constitution of the United States of America.

just my $.02,
Otter

Posted by: monkey at April 28, 2007 09:12 AM

Are bloggers who actually read the news worth reading the only people who KNOW Bu$hCo eyed the take-over of Iraq LONG before 9/11 happened, as in before he was given his office by SCOTUS...?

This is old news to me (us?), but I'm glad Tenet is talking. I hope the reich-wingnuttia kool-aiders who heard his 'slam-dunk' remark quoted by Dickie and supported the war with all their gung-ho boo-yeah enthusiasm will start paying attention for a change and start wondering whether or not progressives just might possibly be telling the truth after all....

Okay, I don't hold out much hope, but if it at least sets up a state of 'reasonable doubt' in their minds, perhaps that's progress.

My .02...

Most of us here are in basic agreement on the question of if this regime has broken a billion and a half laws. (Low-ball estimate there!) But the bigger question seems to be how to stop the crimes from continuing. That means we have to find a way to enlist the so called 'moderates and independents to come to the same level of anger and frustration that they too want the criminal regime out of office before '09.

So what do we do?

Bush Official Linked to Call-Girl Probe Resigns
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042807Z.shtml
Randall Tobias, head of the Bush administration's foreign aid programs, abruptly resigned Friday after his name surfaced in an investigation into a high-priced call-girl ring, said two people in a position to know the circumstances of his departure.
~~~~~
Palfrey had threatened to sell phone records that would identify 10,000 clients to pay for her criminal defense, but a federal judge ordered her not to release them. But Palfrey gave them to ABC News before the order took effect.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

{By Monday this will be old news and not mentioned. If some sex scandals are re-introduced, perhaps the sexually repressed prudes will pay attention. This guy says no sex took place, only a massage. Heh. Like anyone but a gullible fool will believe that?!? I don't trust ABC Mickey Mouse snooze, either, and if they find any names of other higher-up politicos, they are just as likely to keep the names secret. I say publish all the names and let the chips fall where they may.}

It is our necessary duty as citizens under the Constitution of the United States of America.
just my $.02,
Posted by: Otter at April 28, 2007 02:30 PM

I'm in total agreement!

Your $.02 and my $.02 makes .$04, plus the $.02 of anyone else on this blog who agrees.

Per the thread header and sparrow's question, what can we do? I do not know the answer to that question.

Emails and phone calls to our reps (both of which I've done, repeatedly), plus demonstrations by those physically able to participate, have not yet made an impact with anyone but Kucinich. At least he's the only one talking, the only one (besides McKinney, but she's long gone) willing to stick his neck out there and introduce impeachment legislation. Conyers was doing so for a while, but he's now gone silent (Pelosi's orders?).

My one burning question: WHY have the Reps all clammed up about IMPEACHMENT? It's quite clear from the state and local legislation that has passed that IMPEACHMENT is the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

WHY are our legislators not listening to us...?

WHAT kind of hold does the Bu$h administration have over our legislators that they are pretending to be stones that do not hear, see, or respond to the people they were "elected" to represent...?

There is a serious disconnect going on between the reps and senators and the people they allegedly represent, and that needs to be remedied.

Congress Critters seem to be all too willing to give us bread (pork legislation, which benefits corporations mostly) and circuses (TeeVee entertainment, legislation in favor of corporate giants who broadcast administration propaganda on the evening snooze, religious viewpoints that do not represent the majority, and enough commercials to exchange hands between corporations that keep each other wealthy), but when it comes to actually representing the WILL OF THE PEOPLE, all of a sudden the reps (Kucinich excepted) become deaf and mute, and non-responsive to the demands of their constituents.....

What's wrong with that picture?

At this moment I'd favor a Prez-VP ticket that included Kucinich and Rocky Anderson....

"It is our necessary duty as citizens under the Constitution of the United States of America."

My God. By the time I got to that part I w already about to jup out of my chair and applaud that Otter. But that last just made me anyway!

Bravo! Give that Otter a cookie!

No more games, no more lies, no more war, no more watching our nation die!

Just IMPEACH the son of a bitch already!

In.

God.

We.

Trust.

Sorry for thr freaky typos.

Freaky new keyboard.

If you're going to attempt to bring the independents along, the Lou Dobbs audience, it will have come after Bush vetoes the Congress' latest attempt to remove the troops from Iraq, and then perhaps refuses to even go along with the benchmarks approach.

You have to sell the American middle on the idea that our troops can be leaving Iraq forever within months, if not for Bush's presence in the White House. That suggests that Reid has to get onboard any impeachment strategy, and has to be looking to set a trap for the President. I'm not clear that he's planning this.

Reid may instead be content to have vote after vote in the Senate, in an attempt to get Republicans Senators up for reelection in '08 to cast a vote that is likely to play badly either way they vote.

IMHO, if you want to impeach Bush, there needs to be an event that transforms the image of the President from that of stubborn, perhaps wrongheaded, Commander-in-Chief to that of a usurper or tyrant. You may already be there, but most Americans are not - especially with not a single network or cable host running with an impeachment story.

The next Presidential cycle is already here. Minus the arrival of extraordinary cirumstances, most Americans will not easily accept the idea that a President this close to ending his term needs to be removed. Remember, much of what we're complaining about was already out there in the fall of 2004, when Bush was reelected.

So what do we do?

Posted by: sparrow at April 28, 2007 02:40 PM

Here is how...

You want their anger, you need for them to be APPALLED?

The evidence laid out before the nation will provide EXACTLY that.

Put Tenet, Colin Powell and Condi on the stand, under oath, and show the people what was done to them while they were sleeping.

Impeach him, and TRUST WE THE PEOPLE.

We have never failed to do the right thing when our people were given a choice to do so.

This is for anyone who missed Bill Moyers' Journal last night.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/28/bill-moyers-and-jon-stewart-discuss-fake-news/
Bill Moyers and Jon Stewart Discuss “Fake News”
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04272007/transcript1.html
Transcript of the show. The C&L web site says there is a streaming video on the PBS web site, but I've only found excerpts so far. Maybe someone else can find the streaming video. There's more than one embedded link on the C&L web site.

I taped the show last night, I've watched it in its entirety (Stewart and Marshall interviews) three times now. I can't tell you how I'd love to see an entire evening of Moyers and Stewart (and maybe Keith Olbermann) do nothing but deconstruct the Bu$hSpeak PR babble coming from the administration, say a three-hour show just deconstructing the major lies. The only "honest" thing I've ever heard out of DimWit's mouth was when he said as long as he's 'resident there will be troops in Iraq (which only proves he can accidentally tell the truth on rare occasions).

Karen - you will LOVE the body language of both Stewart and Marshall with Moyers! Direct eye contact, direct answers and wonderful give-and-take of the conversation/interview, all of which demonstrates the logical and rational thinking processes of the individuals (Stewart's humor is based on deconstructing Bu$hSpeak, from what I gather, although that's not specifically stated). It's just SO incredible! After watching the lying body language of everyone in the administration all these years, as well as insulting our auditory senses with their Bu$hSpeak, this is a refreshing novelty. Moyers mentions how McCain just shrunk into himself during the clip with Stewart and McCain. McCain retreated into himself and just went back to his usual blather, couldn't even make eye contact with Stewart. McCain couldn't even give a direct answer to a direct question. Just amazing.

I have cried twice while watching the tape. This is what Lamestream Media "journalists" should have been doing all along: deconstructing the lies, asking tough questions, not settling for anything less than straight answers to direct questions.

April 28, 2007
Bush and Congress Easing Tone of Debate on War Bill
By MICHAEL LUO and SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
With the $124 billion war spending bill, and its timetable for withdrawing American troops, headed for a presidential veto early next week, both President Bush and Democratic leaders yesterday toned down the talk of the last several weeks and hinted at a willingness to compromise.

While warning Congress not to test his will by sending him another bill that includes a withdrawal date, President Bush said: “I invite the leaders of the House and the Senate, both parties, to come down, you know, soon after my veto so we can discuss a way forward.” He later issued an official invitation for Congressional leaders to meet at the White House on Wednesday.

The boldness of Senate Democrats has only seemed to swell as the war debate has worn on. Yesterday, they said they remained committed to carrying out what they believed to be the will of the American people to change direction in Iraq. But, like Mr. Bush, they also indicated a readiness to negotiate.

“We are legislators,” said Harry Reid of Nevada, the Senate majority leader, speaking to reporters in New York where members of his party gathered yesterday for their annual policy retreat. “We understand legislation is the art of compromise, consensus building. We are willing to sit down and talk with the president, but we have certain things we believe to be important to the country. I’m sure he does too.”

Republicans inside and outside the White House signaled yesterday that Mr. Bush, though still adamantly opposed to accepting any bill that has timetables in it, was ready to move on.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/28/washington/28CONG.html

http://tellusthemission.org/

** gnu thread **

link to Seattle freeway blogging that I would have been photographing had I been around:

http://www.backbonecampaign.org/storydetail.cfm?ID=193

hope that work - this isn't my computer & I am being forced to use a Microsoft product LOL