Live Blogging the Impeachment Action

It just got quiet--I will try to find out what happened.

Karen
We're with you .. and going to call before leaving to be a camp counsellor. Then I'll be in the woods with no phone or computer or radio.

Someone just came by and said "No new news--that's what the news is".

nmp, thanks--you should see me scrunched down here--this is kind of hysterical!

Col. Ann Wright just reported that the negotiations are hard inside. The Conyers people are asking for another meeting and we are saying, "no." NOW.

This is going to be a very long haul. CALL and please email others to call.

UPDATE: Conyers announced he would not make a statement and half the press left.

Then about twenty of us went into the office, including David Swanson, Debra Sweet, Ann Wright, Medea Benjamin and others.

I saw into the office and it is jam-packed. Keep calling!

Ran into one of Conyers' staffers--he is out here with us.

Cindy Sheehan just left John Conyer's office and announced that Rep. Conyers is NOT going to move on impeachment.

The crowd is very uspet.

Rev. Yearwood announced that the government has failed the people and the people must act NOW. This needs to be spread everywhere.

PEOPLE MUST CALL.

The phone must NOT STOP RINGING. POST THIS EVERYWHERE!!

About 30 people are lined up to be arrested. More arrest are imminent.

Just found a quiet spot to write. This is a PLEA.

If the people do not step up to the plate--and ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CALL AND INSIST ON A RETURN TO DEMOCRACY AND THE CONSTITUTION--then we have lost.

There are hundreds here willing to risk arrest.

There are thousands of you out there. WILL YOU SPEAK UP???

Please spread this everywhere.

UPDATE 2:

Ray McGovern, Col. Wright, and Rev. Yearwood were just arrested. Their message to us is that WE MUST STEP UP and CALL and insist on our DEMOCRACY BACK.

Make those phones ring off the hook

Hi Karen, i'm following your action from "across the pond" in the UK...I found your link through Kos....to all of you over there I admire your courageous actions especially in the face of the fascistic actions of your rogue regime...Peace and good luck in your efforts.

Karen
Headed into the woods but just sent out word to friends.

I just Conyers office and demanded impeachment. It will not do any good I am afraid.. But thank you to all who are TRUE patriots of this country.....and fighting for our COUNTRY

called*

Karen reports that it's quiet there. The phones are not ringing off the hook!

Ray McGovern, Col. Ann Wright, and Rev. Yearwood asked us to call and demand our democracy back. They said this as they were getting arrested. They are counting on us.

Suz, sorry, missed you out when I made my post, good luck to you as well, and anyone else who is with you there.....You have my utmost respect

We are sitting in the Cannon basement. A group headed over to Pelosi's office (sshhh--don't tell her). I hope to add photos to this thread soon.

Calling, passing it on.

WTF are they arresting people for?

The woman at Pelosis office just gave me an interesting answer when I asked had impeachment made it back to the table yet...?

She said 'Any change in Speaker Pelosis position would appear on www.speaker.gov'

HMMMMMMM.

Posted by: UKProPeaceFella at July 23, 2007 03:53 PM

No problem!!! We're so happy to have you helping.

Just tried to call Conyer's office. All I received was voice mail telling me I could leave a message. When I was connected to his answering machine, I was told that his message recorder was full!

I did manage to get through to my congressman, Charlie Wilson and urged him to sign on to HR 333. I told the aide that we need bush and cheney impeached, but impeaching Cheney first would be a good start!

What are these people being charged with?

Anyone...?

Christy,
We don't know yet.
The Capitol police arrest folks for what ever they deem necessary and then the formal charges will be filed later on.

Probably disturbing the peace or trespassing, although, to be clear, there is no peace, and the office and hallway we were in...

belong to US.

Posted by: Meigs at July 23, 2007 04:33 PM

Great. That's what happened to me. Both Pelosi and Conyer's phone won't answer. What a way for them to turn off democracy. maybe they can have the operators take messages instead of directing calls to a dead voicemail.

THINK ABOUT IT.

Arrested... for defending... our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

THINK.

We are the people who run this country. We are the deciders. And every single day, every single one of us needs to step outside and take some action to help stop this war. Molly Ivins (1944-2007)
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There's just two kinds of folks, son, us and the help." ... G.H.W.Bush (reportedly overheard by the help at a private Florida county club)
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"This is slavery: not to speak one's thought." -Euripedes

Thanks Karen for the great live-blogging, and for keeping us up to date.

Go get 'em, sister!

Beautifully stated, Aeon, Thanks for it.

Thanks to all of you that were there doing what you believe in. May we all do more of whatever we believe to be the right thing for peace and (eventual) integrity in government!

best to all.

UPDATE 2:

Ray McGovern, Col. Wright, and Rev. Yearwood were just arrested. Their message to us is that WE MUST STEP UP and CALL and insist on our DEMOCRACY BACK.

Make those phones ring off the hook

Posted by: suz at July 23, 2007 03:37 PM

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Does anyone have a picture of this arrest?? I will put it on my website immediately.

NEVERMIND!!!!!

Ralpheh,
They took Cindy out first, and probably David Swanson and Zool. We had to go down a flight and around the building to get those photos up there. We got the ones of the Rev. and the Col. only because the doors opened up and there they were.

I rode down with them and asked them if they had any messages to deliver.

The Rev. turned to me and said "Power to the people."

I think that pretty much sums it up.

And we, the people, are not using the power we have.

YET.

Just called Conyers office:

The talking point they are using is that "only" 13 people have signed on to H.R. #333 calling for Cheney's impeachment and, therefore, bring up an impeachment bill would be a waste of time because the bill would not pass the House.

I am curious if this is how the Watergate impeachment got out of the House Judiciary Committee. Maybe someone who knows offhand can post this information or I can do some historical research.

For people who haven't called:

CALL NOW - CONYERS OFFICE IS STILL OPEN

Ha ha ha! It's pretty funny that you are being arrested. Why are they arresting you? Probably because Conyers is sick of listening to you retards. Thanks for the great show. I haven't laughed so hard in days.

BTW:

Were any big media reporters there? The WAPO or the NY Times etc... It would be nice to get a newspaper article out of this protest.

I asked Conyers office about the "demand" that more Representatives have to co-sign H.R. #333 - I said, "How many Reps have to sign on to the HR-333 before Conyers would do anything?" The young woman wouldn't answer. Then I asked is there a written press from Conyers to the effect that 13 co-signers is not enough for the resolution to go forward. At that point, she hung up on me.

Thank you all brave patriots!

Thank you all brave patriots!

Oh look, everyone. A troll! With no life to speak of!

Posted by: nate newton at July 23, 2007 06:15 PM

Just tried to call Conyer's office. All I received was voice mail telling me I could leave a message. When I was connected to his answering machine, I was told that his message recorder was full!

I did manage to get through to my congressman, Charlie Wilson and urged him to sign on to HR 333. I told the aide that we need bush and cheney impeached, but impeaching Cheney first would be a good start!

Posted by: Meigs at July 23, 2007 04:33 PM

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I wonder if they just shut his phone down - that would be news in itself..

Posted by: Meigs at July 23, 2007 04:33 PM

Great. That's what happened to me. Both Pelosi and Conyer's phone won't answer. What a way for them to turn off democracy. maybe they can have the operators take messages instead of directing calls to a dead voicemail.

Posted by: suz at July 23, 2007 05:29 PM

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Can this be verified? That would be a pretty bad thing if they just turned off the phones... worth discussion and a press release etc...

Ralpheh,

Some people are getting through and leaving messages.

There's always manana...

Also, from Silence is Complicity's thread at Kos:

They are not answering the phones at Pelosi's office or Conyers. IT's time to move on to the next Reps on the Judiciary committee or your own Rep. Also, consider, like me, making an excursion to your local office or local media. You don't have to have civil disobedience but at least show them your views in person! Invite the neighbors, grab a crowd. Take the kids.

Consider writing a ton of LTE right now since their answering machines are full. Also, consider calling your neighbors and long lost friends to get them involved too.

Sit outside with an Impeach sign. They need our momentum. You don't have to get arrested but please just take it out to the general public and the media.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/23/15936/6861

It's a very sad day for me, as an American, when I see those in CONTEMPT (Harriet Meirs) free, and those protesting and asking that our Representatives uphold the Constitution and take action to do so arrested.

I'll continue to make phone calls. I wish our the MEDIA would pick up on this.

Jackie,

We can call the media too. Write an op-ed or a letter to the editor. Sit down in your town with a sign, like our sparrow does.

There is a lot each of us can do, and in fact, it's why we are here at the DCP. We support each other.

Still at work.

Couldn't call until now... Mailbox is full and everyone went home for the day.

For law-abiding peace activists to get arrested, and for criminals to roam free, is a true disgrace.

Sorry I couldn't be of much help today.

Were are the youth? Look at those photos! Just a bunch of left over old MOONBATS wasting their SS checks.
They will all be out tonight slamming Boones Farm and Ripple and yelling "We stuck it to the man!!"

Bunch of old fools.

Yep, moonbats. That's us.

But actually, I am going out for lamb and retsina, and then spending quality time with my family, after a good day's work, spreading democracy.

And I feel fine.

Posted by: Aeon at July 23, 2007 05:40 PM

Think about it:

harriet meiers is free. GWB and Cheney have murdered 1000's and they are free.

Posted by: Ralpheh at July 23, 2007 06:08 PM

Gosh. Maybe someone can ask?!

Before I go, I need to say thank you to the DCPer who made today's success possible.

We know it was successful because we got TWO (count em) TWO trolls here today!

The Kos thread has over 550 comments and the DU and FDL threads are full as well. Many are calling Congress.

And the DCPer who made today's success possible: our own little suz.

Please give her kudos.

Nixon wasn't impeached. The Repubs went to him and told him he was about to be and the gig was up. He resigned.

And the DCPer who made today's success possible: our own little suz.

Please give her kudos.

Posted by: karen at July 23, 2007 07:24 PM

Thanks for your hard work, suz and karen!

(And before I forget, thanks to Dick for the photos... A picture is really worth a thousand words.)

Beefeater - As for "Moonbats", I see people of all ages in the pictures. The predominance of "older people" is because they have lived through the Civil Rights Movement, Watergate, and the Vietnam War. They KNOW what is at stake and how much we stand to lose as a nation if we don't speak out. It is sad that you value your freedom so little.

Thanks suz, Karen, and Dick. You guys rock!

From someone who's not an old geezer.

Posted by: beefeater at July 23, 2007 07:12 PM

Dear beefy,

Those old "moonbats" have more guts in their little old fingers than you could ever conceive of having. They are going to JAIL for their belief in our country's constitution.

You'll never even come close. Poor thing.

Ah, me-o my-o.

I remember the adage: "If you've never been handcuffed, you're not doing your part."

I used to think those days were long since over.

I stopped thinking that in early 2003.

What I think in mid-2007 is more along the lines of this:

"When men sow the wind it is rational to expect that they will reap the whirlwind."
-- Frederick Douglass

Everything old is new again. And vice versa.

(And George Bush is *everything* that James Madison & Co. warned us against way back in the day. And then some. Ahem.)

and don't let's forget this adage either: you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing,
Otter

BTW - the dem candidates are debating on CNN right now.

Coverage of the protest addressed in this thread here:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/23/sheehan.impeachment.ap/index.html

Here too:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2007/07/23/national/a150620D63.DTL

snip

"White House officials said last week that even if the House or Senate were to find administration officials in contempt, the Justice Department would not be allowed to act against the interests of the president by bringing such charges to a grand jury."

"The White House did not immediately respond to Conyers' announcement."

"Nine U.S. attorneys were fired last year--including seven on one day in December--following a two-year effort by senior White House and Justice Department aides that targeted prosecutors for removal based in part on their perceived loyalty to the Bush administration and the GOP. Several of the prosecutors were improperly contacted by GOP lawmakers or staff about ongoing cases related to politics. Justice investigators also are probing whether civil service laws were violated in other hiring and firing decisions."

snip

"The escalating conflict comes as Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales prepares to testify tomorrow before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which also is investigating the prosecutor firings and is weighing whether to join the House in pursuing contempt proceedings"

The 0AG and Justice Dept will not be allowed?

That should be the first count of Bush' count for impeachment. The Justice Dept and the AG are supposed to be independent of the Executive branch and just like Nixon firing Elliot Richardson in '73 and causing a constitutional crisis so should this same statent from the Bush Whitehouse. The AGs office much to Clinton's consternation acted independently to enforce the role of law and so should this Justice Dept. To do anything less undermines the Constiyution and Rule of law which this administration does not care about or follow.

sorry about my typos
I am typing on small PDA keyboard

My point above is like Janet Reno the AG's office must remain independent of the Exexutive branch or we have no rule of law.

I'm for bringing back the Independent Counsel law to fully investigate this administration.

Greetings from Canada. We are with you in spirit. Our government is as corrupt as yours only they are not so controversial. The Democrats are no different than the Republicans, as the Liberals are no different than the Conservatives here. The sooner we the people take control of our governments, the better for the whole world.

Were are the youth? Look at those photos! Just a bunch of left over old MOONBATS wasting their SS checks.
They will all be out tonight slamming Boones Farm and Ripple and yelling "We stuck it to the man!!"

Bunch of old fools.

Posted by: beefeater at July 23, 2007 07:12 PM

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If Bush and the Congress started a military draft to send people to fight in Iraq, the "foolish youth" would quickly awaken (and turn off their IPods and IPHones) and start protesting with their elders.

Posted by: Ally McRepuke at July 23, 2007 07:27 PM

They KNOW what is at stake and how much we stand to lose as a nation if we don't speak out. It is sad that you value your freedom so little.

WTF are you talking about?
I lived through the 60's too, and all I have ever lost is some hair, a few teeth and my waistline.

The 0AG and Justice Dept will not be allowed?

That should be the first count of Bush' count for impeachment. The Justice Dept and the AG are supposed to be independent of the Executive branch and just like Nixon firing Elliot Richardson in '73 and causing a constitutional crisis so should this same statent from the Bush Whitehouse. The AGs office much to Clinton's consternation acted independently to enforce the role of law and so should this Justice Dept. To do anything less undermines the Constiyution and Rule of law which this administration does not care about or follow.

Posted by: Bubba at July 23, 2007 08:17 PM

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You're EXACTLY RIGHT. Bush CANNOT ORDER a U.S. attorney or the Justice Department who to prosecute and who not to prosecute. Nixon tried to do the exact same thing with the FBI and the Justice department telling them not to investigate the Watergate burglars etc..

Thanks Dick and Karen

Nixon wasn't impeached. The Repubs went to him and told him he was about to be and the gig was up. He resigned.

Posted by: karen at July 23, 2007 07:25 PM

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Articles of impeachment were passed out of the House Judiciary Committee (by a vote of the committee) onto the House floor for consideration. After this Nixon resigned.

WTF are you talking about?
I lived through the 60's too, and all I have ever lost is some hair, a few teeth and my waistline.

Posted by: beefeater at July 23, 2007 08:34 PM

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No family serving in Iraq or Afghanistan or Guantanamo, I guess.

YOU ARE A TRUE BUSHIE PATRIOT!!!

Heck, there are more press persons there than protestors. Get a life! Why don't you find some real issues. A lot of people claim there are reasons to impeach but no one has demonstrated that any of those things are crimes let alone impeachable offenses.

"WTF are you talking about?
I lived through the 60's too, and all I have ever lost is some hair, a few teeth and my waistline."

Posted by: beefeater at July 23, 2007 08:34 PM

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And, it would appear, most of your brain cells. Not to mention significant portions of your heart and your soul as well.

First of all John if you are old enough to have lived through or have bothered to read history you will know that the details of the Watergate breakin and the offers of hush money were not discovered until Alexander Butterfield and John Dean testified before Sam Irwin's Committee. Secondly the Constitution does not just require high crimes or misd.
And thirdly as a lawyer I have proposed that Article 1 deal with Bush's intereving with Gonzalez's trip to the hospital to get the AG's signature while under anesthesia to a policy he firmly opposed. I believe in the Rule of Law something we heard over and over again in the nineties. Undermining an independent Judiciary most prosecutors I have spoken with is despicable even if not criminal which is not required to impeach. Read the Constitution.

Yall musta done something right for the trolls to feel the need to seek you out and try to insult you.

Too bad they are not any good at it.

But then again, they are most likely republican so failure comes natural to them.

John has obviously never read The Downing Street Memos.

Treason.

High Crimes.

Misdemeanors.

Consider your demonstration complete.

funny beefeater.................We were drinking Beefeater martinis, back inthe day when the KIDS were the ones who lacking discernment were drinking Boones Farm & Ripple.
I talked to 2 YOUNG people today ( about 38) both were sadly, resigned to accepting the status quo, and saying "Things Change" .........
There sure were a lot of kids left behind for several decades!

suz, karen, richard - thanks for that - I've only just switched on the computer. From a lot of us here in Australia - fantastic!! Well done! And to all who've called and jammed phone lines - fantastic too! We're really impressed here. With people like you working for democracy-regained, the world will be a far better place. And to the couple of people who complained here about your efforts, I say - why are you not fighting in Iraq for your King? Is it because you are illiterate? Or simply bereft of nerves? A tad afraid huh?

Thank you all!

Yup, woz -- this is what (small-d) democracy looks like.

John Conyers is just like the rest of them, NOTHING but LIP SERVICE.

wow. THREE trolls! I am so excited!!

Isn't it fun?

Granted, they are none too bright, as Christy points out.

But still, here they are!

We must have made an impact of some sort.

And to be continued... Tomorrow: Gonzo Goes to Congress again.

From The Hill:

Gonzales will be return to the hot seat Tuesday for a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on general oversight of the DoJ. Several GOP senators panned his April testimony about the U.S. attorney firings amid calls for his resignation. But Gonzales and President Bush for months have resisted, even as evidence has mounted that top officials were involved in politicizing the hiring of career employees.

In a 26-page statement submitted to the Judiciary Committee in anticipation of his testimony, Gonzales touted the DoJ’s efforts to fight terrorism; combat violent crime and protect children from predators; investigate and prosecute illegal drug trafficking; curb identify theft; protect the border; and fight illegal immigration.

At the end of the document, Gonzales spent five paragraphs on the U.S. attorneys scandal that for months has plagued the department.

“I believe very strongly that there is no place for political considerations in the hiring of our career employees or in the administration of justice,” he said.

“As such, these allegations have been troubling to hear. From my perspective, there are two options available in light of these allegations. I would walk away or I could devote my time, effort and energy to fix the problems.

Since I have never been one to quit, I decided that the best course of action was to remain here and fix the problems.”

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), one of the attorney general’s chief critics, immediately ridiculed Gonzales’s intention to remain at the department.

“There are probably only two people on Earth who think the Attorney General ought to stay: Alberto Gonzales and President Bush,” Schumer said in a release. “As long as he’s in charge, the Justice Department, the rule of law and America will suffer.”

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/closer-to-a-showdown-2007-07-24.html

Sigh. Trolls...makes me long for the good old days when Indy & monkey used to fight over who was the best troll swatter...

Can I point out something else?

I doubt it is multiple trolls. It is most likely just one name hopping to appear larger than he actually is.

Really, it is the only tactics busheviks have left to make it look like they have friends.

Even more sad, is he is probably one of those rent-a-trolls.

HAHAHA!

I doubt their trolls make as much as their hookers.

True dat, mdf. These is some mighty punk-ass trolls compared to back in the day. Guess that says something.

These are summer intern trolls. That's the problem.

They aren't being paid enough. Or they are paid too much.

Not sure which.

Meanwhile, there's a war on still, and we have work to do.

Who will call tomorrow?

Who will tie
Peace up with a ribbon
And put it in a box for me?

I can threaten to sing for impeachment and not stop until they hold impeachment hearings. The problem is that they'll do what they did today...stop taking calls!

Vote in the poll - does America need a group hug?
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/3/2007/07/dobbspoll.jpg

I'm not drinking Boone's Farm or Ripple.
I'm drinking Beefeater.

There are no coincidences.

Pat Boone gave $300 to Sam Brownback.

Just caught a little bit of Huckabee playing bass with his band, Capital Offense - Born to Be Wild.

Maybe I'll switch to the other side after all!!

Thank you to all of you who have been there in
D.C. to speak and demonstrate on behalf of all of us who can't be there with you. May this be the beginning of massive action across the nation to save our democracy and our constitution from any more illegal actions and words from Bush and Cheney. May impeachment hearing begin soon! May someone in Congress become a statesman/woman for
the people of this nation and the world, NOW! May they leave partisan politics and personal fears
behind them for the sake of the nation and the people!

At first I wasn't going to post this article because you have all been working so hard to get your elected reps to move on Impeachment. So, perhaps it's not a good time.

However, the author of the "independent report into the US military's detention, trial and conviction of Australian David Hicks on terrorism charges has labelled the process farcical." It makes damning allegations against the process, the judges and George W Bush. In that sense, it couldn't be more relevant at this time.

It shows that the tentacles of octopus courts reach and affect the citizens of the world. I really would like to know whatever happened to the 15 year old boy who was incarcerated in Guantanamo many years ago. What kind of man have they turned that child into, I wonder? All that time with no contact, no love, just hate and abuse? Or is he dead and nobody thought to tell the world? But that's another situation and it's for another time.

Hicks trial 'shambolic'
July 24, 2007 - 1:45PM

An independent report into the US military's detention, trial and conviction of Australian David Hicks on terrorism charges has labelled the process "farcical".

The report also attacked the Howard Government's unwavering support of the Bush Administration's military commission system.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/hicks-trial-shambolic/2007/07/24/1185043088784.html

On a different note...

It appears that CA-42, the uber-Republican district represented by the crook Gary Miller, who has an enforcement-only immigration policy yet depends on nouveau-riche Korean immigrants for his support, has been targeted by the folks at DCCC.

I'll most likely be gone from this district by the time the election comes, but I'll be glad to help the Democrats on this one.

Candidate - Ron Shepston:
http://www.ronshepston.com/

DCCC's help as discussed on Daily Kos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/23/212023/110

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/23/233412/895
Conyers Joins the Flip-Flop Brigade

{{{WTF...?}}}

"So what are we supposed to make of it when someone we held in such high esteem, who is probably the only one in a position to put the brakes on this out-of-control administration, betrays us?"

From
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/23/233412/895

You don't forget. My view is that there are way too many representatives in governments all over the world. When they flagrantly ignore their voters, the next election is the time to send them away. You elect someone who realises that you mean business. Someone who will do what the people want - or face dismissal.

You keep track of who they are and campaign hard against them. Put in independents if necessary. If any rep ignores the will of the people, he/she does not earn their salary and needs to be removed.

RP08

say no more.

Nixon stood suddenly for peace, after a visit in the USSR, that would have meant the end of the cold-war. That's the only reason the MIC stepped in, hired the Watergate-Burglars (eh Dallas-JFK-Tramps)and forced him to resign. Never ever was impeachment rule empowered for traitors, murders or other misdeamors of the rulers. http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1207-26.htm

To all here: keep up the fight!

Chinatool

You said:
America needs to wake up and understand geopolitics do need USA in the equation any longer.

I presume you meant:
America needs to wake up and understand geopolitics do NOT need USA in the equation any longer.

Pretty grim assessment and not that hard to back up, so where do we go from here? Ideas?

Yes, the best idea is to stand and act as Americans. Take back our Nation, Our Government and Constitution.

People getting arrested is a start. More people need to get arrested. More people need to demonstrate and shut the Capital down. It is OUR government, and what has been taken from us, we must take back for force of assembly.

Iraq is a symptom, the desease lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. The cure exists within the framework of the Constitution; Impeachment.

Amen Chinatool

Amen.

And Woz, the boy being held in Gitmo was 'suppossedly' released a few years ago and went back to Afghanistan. No news of where he went from there. Most likely to the Taliban.

And I want you to know I am ashamed of what has happened to David Hicks. My country never should have treated anyone that way.

No wonder the trolls feel desperate.

'As the president and Congress spar over war policy, both receive negative marks from the public for their handling of the situation in Iraq. But by a large margin, Americans trust Democrats rather than the president to find a solution to a conflict that remains enormously unpopular. And more than six in 10 in the new poll said Congress should have the final say on when to bring the troops home.

The president has steadfastly asserted his power as commander in chief to make decisions about the war, but his posture is now viewed by majorities of Democrats, independents and even Republicans as too inflexible. Asked whether Bush is willing enough to change policies on Iraq, nearly eight in 10 Americans said no."

re: too inflexible.

Posted by: Christy at July 24, 2007 08:49 AM

I seem to remember SOMEONE charging President Bush with "stubborn incompetence" over and over and over again back in '04, but anything beyond a 2 second attention span and the ability to actually think are no longer standard equipment on todays general populace.

Who's Sorry Now?

Thanks Christy - about the young boy and about the David Hicks demonstration of the justice you have when you're not having any justice.

U.S. may stay in Iraq to '09, based on new plan
Strategy gives more time to establish security; at odds with Congress' push

Updated: 55 minutes ago

BAGHDAD - AP - A revised U.S. military plan envisions establishing security at the local level in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq by summer 2008, leading one year later to security conditions nationwide that Iraqi forces are capable of sustaining, U.S. officials said Tuesday.

Known as the Joint Campaign Plan, developed in tandem by Gen. David Petraeus and his political counterpart in Baghdad, Ambassador Ryan Crocker, it reflects a timetable starkly at odds with the push by many in Congress to wind down U.S. involvement in a matter of months.

more...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19929445/

Raw Story is about to break this one

'LEAHY: EVIDENCE POINTS TO ROVE: DEVELOPING...'

The snippets I saw tonight, of the Dem Presidential hopefuls, answering questions from the people, Obama outstripped Hilary, I thought. Asked if they would talk to those leaders in the Middle East who had been ignored by the Bush administration, during their first year. Obama said definitely. To stop talking is stupid. Hillary said No - not in the first year. More of what's happening now - talk it to death and then do nothing.

I am inspired and proud of those impassioned Seniors
so proud,
If you haven't had an opportunity to listen to AirAmericaradio.comm check it out also there is a new
venu on the horizon looks classy and BIG, Great,appears very together and so refreshing called,
therealnews.com a nationwide news source devoid of commercial funding.

I know, I´m late, but our government is trying to "stay the course" in Afghanistan, abductions, false-flag-terror stuff, you know.
But anyway - I´m sure, you´re all proud of Cindy and those brave and free people who never give up the fight against war, terror and dictatorship.
Cindy is a lighthouse. And the world is watching.
Best, very best wishes from Berlin (Old Europe).
Go - and get´em.