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Something Good Amongst the Heinous
Last week, on Tuesday evening, my neighborhood, like thousands of others across the U.S., held a National Night Out gathering. Jean and I were the hosts of our neighborhood gathering, and we held it in the parking lot outside Fabulous Fern's, where the DCP met for our annual meeting a couple years back.
We didn't know when we planned the event that the I-35 bridge would fall down, killing commuters and their kids in their cars. It felt good to get together with people for a GOOD reason, which was a marked departure from the sadness of the days preceeding the get together.
Like many communities across the nation, we had a moment of silence at 6:05 pm for the victims of the bridge collapse. It was a heavy silence, and the people on the Fern's patio stopped talking and bowed their heads. They had all turned their chairs to watch what was going on.
The good news is that about 200 people came by to eat donated hot dogs and to meet City Council candidates, police officers, and of course, the always impressive mounted patrol. Jean and I talked to all of them, we shook a lot of hands, we collected names, emails and addresses.
We collected names. Lots of them. People who care, who want to know what's going on, and are willing to stand up and get involved. They all happily signed up for the neighborhood newsletter that Jean and I are starting. They're excited. They brought their kids. They thanked us for doing the event, particularly since we all needed to get together and just be around each other right now.
I guess my point here is that they really haven't beaten us. The liars, the greedy, the uncaring. They haven't won. Because after all the death and deception and disregard from this government, people still give a damn. They really do. And they know their getting screwed. They're not happy about it.
Jean informed me at the end of the night (when we could finally sit down and have a glass of wine), that this is the first of a series of events she plans so that people can get to know me and we can start collecting names.
Apparently, she thinks I should run for state office. And if these people keep pissing me off, I may do just that. I haven't decided yet, but I do know this: Only a few months back, in May, I was standing in Paul Revere's living room in Boston, marveling at his courage. He had a family. He had a business. And he put it all at risk to fight for a country that wasn't even born yet. It was still just an idea. And it's that idea that we need to come back to. The idea that started it all.
Government of the people, by the people and for the people.
I've decided that I'm not going to devote a lot of time to issue politics any more. What I'm going to devote time to is getting rid of the people who are trying to kill THE IDEA of America. That means the impeachment of Bush, Cheney and Gonzales for a start. Maybe after these cancers are gone, if I feel like I can really help, I'll run for something.
In the meantime, I'm done talking about issues. I'm talking about the second American Revolution. Because if we don't stop them now, we never will.
And I think about Paul Revere every day.
MY CALL TO C-SPAN LAST SUNDAY:
Last Sunday, C-Span's Washington Journal program was discussing the DKos convention (and blogging in general) and they were taking phone calls from viewers. I decided to give it a try, calling in order to plug my website - http://www.thesoapboxroadshow.com . It worked - I got through, was put on hold for about 10 minutes (seemed like 15 min.). I mentioned the website twice and rambled on a bit etc...
Below is the traffic report for the website:
1. August 12, 2007 867 0.93%
2. August 11, 2007 3,556 3.83%
3. August 10, 2007 5,980 6.44%
4. August 9, 2007 3,381 3.64%
5. August 8, 2007 3,615 3.90%
6. August 7, 2007 4,500 4.86%
7. August 6, 2007 5,282 5.70%
8. August 5, 2007 45,138 48.67%
On Sunday August 5, I got an all time record number of hits in one day - over 45,000.
Got this from my uncle:
Watched several sessions of KOS convention on C-span hosted by Nancy Pelosi's daughter and the KOS boy was on Tim Russerts Face the Nation today - had never seen him before and was quite impressed......it seems like he could make lots of money on ads etc on his site since he is one force in putting the newspapers out of business
Posted by: not my president at August 12, 2007 11:55 AM
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Is DKos going to endorse any of the Lame Democratic Candidates for president??? I think I am going to completely give up on the Dems and either go with Kucinich or the Green Party...
5 Soldiers killed in Iraq:
BAGHDAD - Five American soldiers were killed south of Baghdad, including four in a single bombing, the military said Sunday.
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The leader of the largest Sunni bloc in parliament, meanwhile, issued an impassioned appeal for help from Arab countries against what he called Iranian-supported death squads and militias in the latest blow to the U.S.-backed Iraqi government's reconciliation efforts.
Adnan al-Dulaimi, the leader of the Iraqi Accordance Front, warned that Baghdad was in danger of falling into the hands of the "Persians" and "Safawis," using terms referring to Iran.
"Arabs, your brothers in the land of the two rivers and in Baghdad in particular are exposed to an unprecedented genocide campaign by the militias and death squads that are directed, armed and supported by Iran," al-Dulaimi said in a statement e-mailed to The Associated Press by his office.
Most of Iraq's neighboring countries are majority Sunni, while Iran and Iraq have mostly Shiite populations, raising regional concern about the Iranian government's influence over the Iraq Shiite-dominated leadership and security forces.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070812/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
You should run, Vic. I think Jean is right about that.
(Taking a very short break from work--working a very full week this week so you won't see too much of me.)
Don't give up on the dems yet, Ralph.
We need people willing to clean our own house.
Ralpheh
I don't know who they will endorse (DailyKos), or anybody else - alot of people I know (& met there) like Obama.
I think this time I will plug my nose and vote for the nominee. I remain less interested than usual in the primaries and feel bad about it, but I believe we don't have a fair system.
We don't have true Campaign Finance Reform.
We don't have many who don't maneuver around for votes.
We don't have transparent and consistent voting procedures and ours are hackable.
We don't guarantee all who want to can vote and it's said when some don't even try.
I've tried to register voters and some minorities told me, "They throw our votes out" and some others told me, "The electoral system isn't fair so I don't want to participate."
Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich were very good at YearlyKos because they knew they were not going to win so could say what they wanted, not "maneuver" for position.
It's awful to already be pretty burnt out on it.
I did get my two election integrity friends together in person yesterday (Seattle, Brooklyn) - they have done virtually nothing else since 2004 but are getting pretty exhausted and frustrated.
Dick Busted.
Video Surfaces of Cheney, in 1994, Warning That An Invasion of Iraq Would Lead to 'Quagmire'
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003624798
Christy
That is not new but I'm glad it's coming to the attention of people again. They ought to show that one again and again of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam and his participation with North Korea.
& someone sent me a MAD mag photo where Alfred E Neuman morphs into W and that inspired me to look up the old Pierce Bush (nephew) clip and I found some family tv dialogue too about how the kid overstayed his welcome and wore the same shirt for a month, breaking a family record. (click on my name)
Which administration paid $400 each to contractors for toilet seats? Must have been the fiscally conservative Republicans?
Still the same ..
US Overpays Millions for Iraq Security
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/081207Y.shtml
Steve Fainaru reports in Sunday's edition of The Washington Post that the US military "has paid $548 million over the past three years to two British security firms that protect the US Army Corps of Engineers on reconstruction projects, more than $200 million over the original budget, according to previously undisclosed data that show how the cost of private security in Iraq has mushroomed."
Christy,
It's being talked up at The Guardian:
Vintage Dick Cheney
“Because if we’d gone to Baghdad, we would have been all alone. There wouldn’t have been anybody else with us — it would have been a US occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces that were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade Iraq. Once you got to Iraq and took it over, and took down Saddam Hussein’s government, then what are you going to put in its place? That’s a very volatile part of the world.
And if you take down the central government in Iraq, you could easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off. Part of it…uh…the Syrians would like to have in the West. Part of the eastern part of Iraq the Iranians would like to claim, fought over it for eight years. In the north, you’ve got the Kurds. If the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey. It’s a…it’s a quagmire, if you go that far in trying to take over Iraq.
The other thing was casualties. Uh…everyone was impressed with that fact that…uh…we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action and for their families, it wasn’t a cheap war. And the question for the President in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad and took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans was Saddam worth? And our judgment was not very many, and I think we got that right.”
Christy
So who was at the Energy Meetings with Cheney? Why was he summoned to Saudi Arabia? Was he blackmailed by them? It lends some support to the conspiracy theories involving the Saudis, if you ask me. Why would he do such an about face?
Of the conspiracies, the one that fits best has to do with a coverup about planned pipelines and who was going to build them. I'm not going to get into it, but it really was all about oil and mutual blackmail. A couple of spooks quit government service and Carlyle group was mentioned as well as Enron, the Saudis and the Taleban. It's quite a different conspiracy theory than others I've seen but might explain Cheney's about-face.
Cheney hooked up with PNAC well BEFORE 9/11, so he can't just say "9/11 changed everything."
and
Trying to eliminate Saddam...would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible.... We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq.... there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land.
George Herbert Walker Bushfrom his memoir, "A World Transformed" (1998)
Excerpt from "Why We Didn't Remove Saddam" by George Bush [Sr.] and Brent Scowcroft, Time (2 March 1998):
While we hoped that popular revolt or coup would topple Saddam, neither the U.S. nor the countries of the region wished to see the breakup of the Iraqi state. We were concerned about the long-term balance of power at the head of the Gulf. Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-cold war world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the U.N.'s mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome.
Sorry to go off-topic - I'm on a role. I want to know when the pragmatists were overtaken by the neocons and how it happened. & why. I still want to know if it's more about blackmail, profit or peak oil. It's not "9/11 changed everything" because the answer might be r/t 9/11 as well (why it happened or why it wasn't prevent).
It's like I don't want to find a conspiracy theory - I want to develop one. Oh well .. maybe I need to eat something.
I never thought I'd find myself longing for the days of George H.W. Bush, but compared to his toxic son, the guy was at least conscious of our global responsibilities and limitations.
Sigh.
Victoria
I'm just blown away though - if Cheney KNEW the consequences of invading Iraq again 9 years before we did it (now 13), what happened to make him swallow the neocon position? If he didn't, what made him change positions? That's what I just can't get out of my head! What happened at the energy meeting? What did he hear from the Saudis? Will we ever know?
Chalabi is implicated. Now we may be getting somewhere.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/12/13153/5489
Somewhere in the comments, an astute reader (Dave from USA) says:
Chlabi himself zeroed in on Dick Cheney and his merry band of neocons, flirting and courting them till their heads were spinning with his core messages, that:
Saddam conspired with Osama to pull off 9/11;
Saddam had all sorts of WMDs and the means to deliver them to Israel and the US;
Saddam and his two evil sons were brutal despots that terrorized and controlled all the "Iraqi people;"
US troops would be greeted as liberators;
A grateful Iraqi people would rise up and help crush Saddam's army;
The Iraqi people would elect a free, democratic government that would be a grateful partner with US forces;
That elected government would allow US military bases on Iraqi soil to keep a lid on any defiant Arabs in the region that might try to take over any other oil production; and
That same Iraqi government would grant lucrative no-bid oil contracts to any and all US oil companies.
Chalabi thus sucked up to Cheney and seduced him into replacing his realistic anxieties about invading Iraq with this new scenario of easy victory and fabulous riches. As his reward, Chalabi was given a seat 3 feet behind Laura Bush at the infamous 2003 State of the Union address, and was promised to be installed as the first Iraqi president.
And of course, Chalabi was given his invasion of Iraq and removal of Saddam. Chalabi didn't get to be president, but he supervised the de-Baathification of the Iraqi government and military, and he was given the all-powerful oil ministry.
Now, the Iran connection. Chalabi was working closely with Iran the whole time. And the US invasion and attempted occupation of Iraq has worked out quite well for Iran, the new mideast superpower.
So the overall conclusion is that Deadeye Dick Cheney is not only a heartless enemy of American constitutional values, but Cheney is also a complete fool.
Topic shift - saw this at Guardian TALK - looks like it came from FDL (is that FireDogLake?) Anyway..
Right Blog Wingnuts come in many flavors: There are war-fiends, dopes, and homo-haters; Photoshop fanatics, all full of phlegm, Doggéd denouncers of the MSM! Because they can bravely use the Google, As they chew Cheetos and Toaster-Strudel – “Fact-Checking” CBS with Wikipedia – They squawk that they’re the Brand New Media: “We’re all Fierce Foes of Islamofascism!” The Wingnuts wail as they shake & spasm, Their keyboards caked with weeks-old jism (This is called “Cit’zen Journamalism.”) “Check the kerning! link, link! and blather! Years ago we got that bastard Rather! If we cross-link enough, and fight fight fight, In seven years we may once more be right!” Because everyone knows the media’s biased, Which alone explains the current crisis. “The Good Lord knows it just can’t be the war! That’s going great! No! What plagues us sore, Is how the NY Times loves Michael Moore, Who is fat, just like that awful Albert Gore.”
Thus intone the Wingnuts in their chorus, For here they are assembled all before us: They have gathered to salute their King, The Lawprof Lord of the Loony Right-Wing. Who could say how far a wingnut would not sink, To hear “hehindeed” and thus score a link From this Chucklehead Prince of Tennessee With his ghastly fetish for robotry? Therefore do they now parade and mix To hail their King as his reign turns six!
First bounces in some silly Corner dude Claiming he’s seen the SS in Whole Foods. Then list! Flouncing forth from far Wisconsin! A burb’ling bint! “Oh, it is just too part’san To even dare to think that Sam Alito Were ever worse than, say, Mansquito! Oh, this Almaden so clouds my wits! Why do liberal women dare have tits?” And behind her trots some dude who’s makin’ A vagina sculpture out of Play-Doh and bacon.
And believe it or not it just gets worse: There are by far even sillier stars That adorn this cockeyed universe.- Thers at FDL
Video Surfaces of Cheney, in 1994, Warning That An Invasion of Iraq Would Lead to 'Quagmire'
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003624798
Posted by: Christy at August 12, 2007 12:50 PM
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THE MOTHER OF ALL FLIP-FLOPS
In this interview, Cheney is pointing out ALL the potential problems of a unilateral invasion of Iraq!!!!
I wonder if Lamestream Media will pick this up???
Ralpheh
It is too embarrassing for them. Bush/Cheney's oil greed let them (and us) get taken to the cleaners. Read up where I've been discussing it - I looked and looked and read and read and I now believe it's the Chalabi/exile thing. They trusted the wrong people because they had dollar signs in their eyes. The Cheney thing isn't new, by the way - maybe in this format, but I know I've seen it in some form before.
The Cheney video is #3 on YouTube now.
If Chaos in the middle east was the plan, then it all starts to make sense. McDermott revealed at a meeting a foreign policy plan for remapping the middle east so we control more oil, and controlled chaos was part of the plan. Here is the Joshua M Morris article on the Chaos, and I'll try to find the map.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0304.marshall.html
This is the map - controlled chaos as part of the remaking of the middle east for oil profit by the west
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NAZ20061116&articleId=3882
Victoria
I'm just blown away though - if Cheney KNEW the consequences of invading Iraq again 9 years before we did it (now 13), what happened to make him swallow the neocon position? If he didn't, what made him change positions? That's what I just can't get out of my head! What happened at the energy meeting? What did he hear from the Saudis? Will we ever know?
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Posted by: not my president at August 12, 2007 02:34 PM
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NMP --
Here's my theory: Cheney, in 1994, was busy defending the decision NOT to expand the mission of driving Saddam out of Kuwait by going into Iraq - a decision which many questioned at the time. He was doing the politically expedient thing. Doing what he always does - covering political ass. Period.
Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc. would later urge Bill Clinton to invade Iraq and remove Saddam Hussein. It may have been partly due to their feeling that they'd made a mistake the first time by not going after him.
And the wheels were set to go into motion immediately when the selected Republican took office. That's why the 2000 election had to be stolen. That's why they wouldn't count the votes.
Because they HAD to have their candidate in the Presidency to initiate that conflict.
And at the bottom of it all, there's only money and power. Oil, reconstruction, the chance to reshape the middle east.
It had nothing to do with 9/11. They abandoned the mission in Afghanistan after 5 minutes, and THAT was about Al Qaeda and 9/11. Those were actually the people we needed to fight. They didn't give a rat's bumm. They didn't get OBL. It was all about Iraq from before 2000.
It's really just about their retirement accounts. It's that simple.
Patriotic my a**.
I asked my Uncle about the Cheney thing (he lives in St Paul area) - he said:
wouldn't believe anything cheney says.....he is either delusional or paranoid
Victoria Ellen
That makes alot of sense! It goes along with the literal map I just posted, to reshape the middle east.
THEIR retirement accounts may be helped - certainly not ours!
Didn't know about the map or Josh Marshall's article, but oddly echoes my thoughts on the whole damn mess. Which does NOT make me happy.
Victoria Ellen
Right - me too. Hadn't thought about this stuff in this way in awhile so it's like revisiting it, esp. with some of the recent stuff where Cheney seems to want to go into Iran.
"Christy
So who was at the Energy Meetings with Cheney? Why was he summoned to Saudi Arabia? Was he blackmailed by them? It lends some support to the conspiracy theories involving the Saudis, if you ask me. Why would he do such an about face?
Posted by: not my president at August 12, 2007 02:04 PM
The people he met with for the energy meetings to me are only slightly less interesting than the fact they had a maps of Iraqi oil fields during that meeting.
The coincidence theory simply does not hold up. I beliebe they were planning the Iraqi invasion even before 2001. I believe they based our 'energy policy' on a pre-schedualed invasion.
I do not think Saudi Arabia has to blackmail cheney, I think they bought him outright.
Why else would he do such an about face....?
Money.
I know I took some people by surprise at my huge burning desire to kick the snot out of the Saudis, but I am not sure why it was surprising. I am a liberal hawk, I can never be a dove.
If you ask me, I have to say georgie and dick were not only in on 911 they made sure it would go off with no probs.
I know, tin foil hats stuff, but after seeing what happened, how, when and where all the players played out, after reading as much as I can from all sides, I am left with no other choice but to believe it.
The thing that finally convinced me was the lack of military response that day, and why that happened. Once I understood how they stood down our pilots, it is insane, but I believe they not only knew it was coming, but were in on it themselves. They made sure it happened.
And, I think it happened that morning because of what happened the day before.
Even if I were to face death for it, I would still completely believe it.
No other explaination makes sense.
You can not do what they have done....WITHOUT a conspiracy.
The thing that makes it so hard to believe 'conspiracy theories' is often you are left with the unavoidable question of...
"How can all these people be in on it?"
We naturally assume the orders would come come from on high and a zombie army would nod and carry them out. It is silly on its' face.
But that is not how actual conspiracy works.
There is a central plot that, like the domino effect, trickles down, slowly at first, then faster.
Lets say the prez, vp, and secretary of defense (and karl too of course since it was all his idea). These 4, in their positions of authority thouroughly loot and pervert the systems under them, until this guy or that guy is caught up in their own miniconspiracy to loot and pervert. Before long, birds of a feather are flocking together. Armies of them.
We are talking about the theft of a lifetime. Those that can't be bought can be blackmailed or simply killed outright.
One central plot, hatched by as few as 4 people, could spawn 90,000 other lesser plots.
And by the time you wade through the bullsh*t and dead bodies to get to the core plot, they are already gone, disappeared into history with trillions of dollars of blood money in their pockets.
Think about it, 4 determined people, evil people, could entirely dismantle an empire without firing a single shot.
(Except the apologetic lawyer with buckshot in HIS FACE! Perhaps the closest cheney will ever come to actual combat don't count since he shot a friendly.)
Again,
Think about it, 4 determined people, evil people, could entirely dismantle an empire without firing a single shot.
For all my life, since I first learned of Adolf Hitler, I wondered, how did he ACTUALLY do it?
The mechanics of it boggled me. How in the hell can you turn that many people into MONSTERS?
How could so many spree killers, mass murderers, rapists and just totally violently INSANE people all cluster in one place?
I understand the fear thing, but I could not understand how it came to be, how did he do it, the central plot that dominoed into atrocity, where was it...?
Thanks to georgie I now understand hitler.
He also came to power on stolen elections, and then set about totally corrupting what was probably one of the better justice systems in Europe.
By the time the war was over, killing all those people, men, women, and children, was perfectly legal. Completely legal.
Georgie and dick are not quite as crude as hitler, but then they do not have to be. Not as crude, but otherwise identical.
All along the way, georgie has been appointing people who are known for their cowardice and cruelty. Our AG is a torture justifier who made sure it was legal.
Any time we say, my God, you are spying on us, or, Oh God you KILLED all these people!
They always say, 'hey, LEGAL!.' If not now it will be soon.
Of course it is legal when you have an evil lying pervert running the Justice Department.
The only thing that truly makes me feel better is seeing our kids COMPLETELY REJECT georgie and his b*tches
I only pray the US Constitution holds until they can come of age.
If we hand them this mess we have made, I am afraid they will all kill each other over it.
If you can not kill the buffalo, make the buffalo kill itself.
Christy
could be
Hey Ralph. You should stick around, the dems are just starting to become interesting.
"The chairman of a Midwest state party called Clinton a nightmare for congressional and state legislative candidates."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070812/clinton-scared-democrats/
WaPo: Court twice said Bush wiretapping program was illegal.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/12/wapo-court-twice-said-bush-wiretapping-program-was-illegal/
Editorial: It's time to stop accepting Bush's failures
http://abqtrib.com/news/2007/jul/17/editorial-its-time-stop-accepting-bushs-failures/
Albuquerque Tribune.
CAUGHT ON VIDEO TAPE: LYING
(the first one is the best)
Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney, Powell lying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o
Rumsfeld Lying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPwWnW-SGeU
Cheney Lying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3hRvj22RWs
Bush, Rumsfeld, Fleischer, Powell lying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMBDCQ4cPx0
Bush, Rice, Powell lying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7xyd_IRgGs
Helen Thomas | Yet Again, the Democrats Roll Over
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/081207D.shtml
Longtime White House reporter Helen Thomas writes in her most recent syndicated Hearst Newspapers column that "President Bush has the Democrats' number on Capitol Hill. All he has to do is play the fear card and invoke the war on terror and they will cave."
I almost never diss Democrats no matter what they do. It's not that I agree with them because I often don't, but I feel that Rove may be reading my words and find a way to do something with them. I like to save my venom for the Republicans. However .. I trust Helen Thomas.
I think my Uncle that is Republican that I have some dialogue with (he can't stand Cheney, for instance) might support Mitt Romney. He liked his father. Not much I can do about that .. at least we have a dialogue going.
Ralpheh
Lying is common.
I was just involved in a phone conversation where we were talking about the apparent prevalence of blackmail, bribery and lying at all levels. Corruption. It's very frustrating. Would love to be positive soon and offer suggestions of things we can do but am in this temporary hiatus where it's hard to just absorb all these hits. Who can be trusted?
I mean, yesterday someone told me that when Wellstone crashed in his plane, that originally Ted Kennedy was supposed to be with him and so they thought that someone wanted to take them both out. Granted, I grew up with assassinations (JFK, RFK, MLK) but somehow I thought we'd grown beyond that. Now I wonder.
Karen~watch what the blep!
We have multiple piles of video evidence, miles high piles of paperwork evidence, the timeline itself is damning...
Yet Nancy goes and say 'Nah'.
I still can not figure out why in Gods name she would do that. I don't get it. Maybe blackmail, I just don't get it.
I say this is the perfect time to clean the ENTIRE house. We all know there are some very seriously corrupt democratic members of congress and it is time to run their asses out the door along with the rupublicans.
Don't say bye,don't write, don't call, don't wave when we pass again....JUST GO.
These people have been involved in WAR CRIMES. If not directly they have been looting the same damn cookie jars as the republicans.
Theirs destroy the US Constitution, ours takes large and important portions of it off the table. Kinda hard to tell them apart anymore.
I say to hell with them all. Those that haVe something to worry about better be freaking worried because our conscious is CLEAR.
A reckoning is coming.
Atrocities have been committed in the name of my freedom, and my childrens lives. They took our civil liberties and killed hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people, in the name of OUR COUNTRY. For nothing but lies.
I will NOT be letting this go in 2008. I don't think we CAN let it go.
This ain't the days of Vietnam and they ain't freaking getting away with it. So help me God.
Wanna hear something good from a potential president? Dare them to say this...
'If I become President, I swear I will immediately pardon any soldier below the rank of captain for any crimes THAT MAY HAVE BEEN committed during the administration of George W. Bush."
And promise to grant them immunity to testify truthfully about everything the White House has been hiding from us. Ask them to return to civilized society and do their civic duty.
Testify.
Could you even imagine one of the wannabe presidents doing the right thing at this point without the polls nudging them..?
I don't care which one says it, I will vote for them.
This is not going away in 2008. It has gone way too far now.
Too many people are dead for no reason to date.
The War Crimes Trial of George W. Bush and his VP, is the only fitting way to honor the sacrifice of so many.
Let Me Fall (From Cirque Du Soleil)
Josh Groban
Let Me Fall
Let Me Climb
There's A Moment When Fear
And Dreams Must Collide
Someone I Am
Is Waiting For Courage
The One I Want
The One I Will Become
Will Catch Me
So Let Me Fall
If I Must Fall
I Won't Heed Your Warnings
I Won't Hear Them
Let Me Fall
If I Fall
Though The Phoenix May
Or May Not Rise
I Will Dance So Freely
Holding On To No One
You Can Hold Me Only
If You Too Will Fall
Away From All These
Useless Fears And Chains
Someone I Am
Is Waiting For My Courage
The One I Want
The One I Will Become
Will Catch Me
So Let Me Fall
If I Must Fall
I Won't Heed Your Warnings
I Won't Hear
Let Me Fall
If I Fall
There's No Reason
To Miss This One Chance
This Perfect Moment
Just Let Me Fall
Posted by: Victoria Ellen at August 12, 2007 03:23 PM
And it is my strong belief that non-Western powers that want a piece of the Iraqi oil pie, and are helping our occupation of Iraq precisely for that purpose, are just as guilty.
Junk your Samsung and Hyundai.
I've tried to register voters and some minorities told me, "They throw our votes out" and some others told me, "The electoral system isn't fair so I don't want to participate."
Posted by: not my president at August 12, 2007 12:48 PM
They only throw out votes from minorities that dare to speak against the party of minority entrepreneurship - the Republicans.
Those who suck up to the Republican machine get disproportionate power instead (i.e. Alberto Gonzales, Carlos Gutierrez, John Yoo, etc).
The LSM is finally taking notice of Hillary's unpopularity among activists:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20237246/
Ally
Interesting article but there are quite a few places where the "coat tails" thing doesn't seem to work much. North Dakota has two Democrat Senators and they will vote for any Republican for President. There are places where people seem to completely separate local and national politics. I think we will see many many speculative articles from here on in though, especially with no incumbent in either party.
Ally
Here is another one on how H Clinton is "finessing the Center" - soon people will start talking about "electability" again. They will be able to take any candidate and argue any position, look at their favorables and unfavorables, examine national v local data etc.
Iowa is a case in point. Romney and Edwards are leading in the straw polls, but not everyone has entered. They look good, in that state, and completely different in national polls, which don't matter much yet, unless maybe r/t fundraising. & even the actual primaries aren't for awhile, and alot could happen in the world.
I am starting to feel resigned about the war and the election - we will be stuck in Iraq no matter who comes in, and we will get a moderate candidate because people will be tired of extremes. That's one scenario anyway.
At least the Chinese central bank said they won't dump the dollar holdings - not this week anyway.
Every house for sale I saw today had a "Reduced Price" sign on it.
I am starting to feel resigned about the war and the election - we will be stuck in Iraq no matter who comes in, and we will get a moderate candidate because people will be tired of extremes. That's one scenario anyway.
Posted by: not my president at August 12, 2007 10:54 PM
Agreed about that view. Immediate withdrawal is not possible anyway - it takes time. (And honestly we will be lucky if the war is not extended to Iran.)
The best we can do is to keep up the pressure - I will stay in touch with CodePink to make that happen.
Ally
Agreed.
Victoria,
Good on you. Yes, it will be the people who will take back what is rightfully theirs - the Constitution and their government. We seem to think that we are here all alone and nobody agrees with or understands our position/opinions. But the fact of the matter is, we are the majority. We are the suppressed majority. We are the ignored majority. We are the abandoned majority. We are the ridiculed majority. We are a powerless majority as long as we accept being trampled by our government. But hell's bells, WE ARE THE MAJORITY AND WE BETTER START ACTING LIKE IT.
U.S. Drops Out of Global Math Test
The United States has quietly withdrawn from an international study comparing math and science students. via MSNBC
Full story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20205125/...
Hey Oncall,
How are you, hope all is well, if you are speaking to Indy at all please give hime my regards from Down Under
Posted by: oncall at August 13, 2007 01:02 AM
HEAR! HEAR!
Shift Happens
Posted by Casey Morris at 01:09 PM
Started me thinking of The United States has quietly withdrawn from an international study comparing math and science students.
Posted by: rossiann at August 13, 2007 01:13 AM
What I'm going to devote time to is getting rid of the people who are trying to kill THE IDEA of America. That means the impeachment of Bush, Cheney and Gonzales for a start.
Because if we don't stop them now, we never will.
Posted by Victoria Ellen at August 12, 2007 11:38 AM
KUDOS, Victoria Ellen!!! :-)
I'm pushing for impeachment, too - first and foremost, before everything else. IMHO, it's the key to ending the war crimes in Iraq, torture, closing Gitmo, repealing the so-called Patriot Acts, repealing MCA '06, repealing the additional so-called 'fixes' to FISA, et cetera and so on and so forth. The second thing I would advocate is getting corporations the hell out of government.
The extraordinary 'unitary executive' powers currently claimed by Cheney/Bush are not what the Founding Fathers put in the Constitution, and I don't want ANY future president to claim monarchial powers, including Dem presidents.
'Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely,' so what we're faced with now with a neoCon president we could as easily encounter with a Dem in the White House if they assume the same powers, and I do not want that to happen.
BTW, for anyone interested, here are three links to info on Dennis Kucinich, two have videos. The one at the AFL-CIO debates is particularly revealing, and the one from Sunday's interview with George Stephanopolous just made me want to smack ol' Georgie Stephanopolous upside the head - he asked questions, then interrupted Dennis at every turn, and seemed appalled that Kucinich advocates not using nuclear weapons and advocates nuclear disarmament. (The other Dem candidates sound like BushLite warhawks to me, and that makes them truly frightening. We don't need another "leader" who will be just another version of Georgie in the White House.)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/8/211718/5074
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/12/13394/5231
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/12/141248/073
It's only Lamestream Media who are touting Kucinich's "unelectability" (IMHO) because he's short and hasn't raised the same money as Hillary and Obama and Edwards (who have been shoved down our throats almost daily since '04 - and before).
Between H. Res. 333 and Kucinich's ability to coherently say common sense things in 25 words or less, that all indicates (to me) that he has what it takes to lead this nation. Who the hell cares if he's short or not? His brain functions very well, he's ready to put this nation before politics, and that makes a huge difference in my book.
Personally, I like Kucinich's eyes. He has warm brown eyes like my father's. My dad was also a plain man when it comes to looks but he had warm brown eyes, an engaging grin, intelligence, and he was the kindest, most thoughtful and caring man who ever walked the planet; I still miss him and he's been dead over 30 years.
NonnyO it was interesting to see Barack Obama and John Edwards say they'd outlaw the large grants from corporations in DC. In direct opposition to Hillary. She really lost me on that one.
Oh yeah. I don't vote. sigh
Sorry if this is old news by now, but I got up in the middle of the night and couldn't go back to sleep so I climbed in my recliner and flipped on MSNBC.
KARL ROVE RESIGNS!!!!!!!! August 31st his last day!!!
Yippee Ki Yi Yay!!!!
Re: Rove's resignation
Wall Street Journal broke the story overnight it appears!!!!
(Don't tell me there is no God!!!) :-D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6943814.stm
or tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/yvjwzy
I see TSP found this first, but here's the WSJ story about it.... :-)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118698747711695773.html
Karl Rove to Resign
At the End of August
Karl Rove, President Bush's longtime political adviser, is resigning as White House deputy chief of staff effective Aug. 31, and returning to Texas, he said in an interview with Paul Gigot, editor of The Wall Street Journal's editorial page.
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In the interview, Mr. Rove said he expects Democrats to give the 2008 presidential nomination to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, whom he described as "a tough, tenacious, fatally flawed candidate." He also said Republicans have "a very good chance" to hold onto the White House in next year's elections.
{{{More on link. I suspect ol' Turd Blossom could very well be right about Hillary. She's much, much too polarizing. If she didn't sound so BushLite in her speeches, she might be acceptable, but she's too much of a warmongering hawk... and then there's the gender thing. This country really is not, deep down, ready for a woman president. Actually, if she adopted Dennis Kucinich's platform, she probably would stand a better chance, but right now she's trying to compete with the warhawks, sounds like the bully Georgie is, and that could get a lot of people to vote for a 'PubliCon if she's the Dem candidate for prez.}}}
Hi NonnyO,
I probably didn't find it first, but I was so jazzed I'll probably never get back to sleep now!!! :-DDDDD
It's like Christmas and my birthday all in one!!!
NonnyO,
This is MHO, but I just don't see HOW Hillary could be as ahead in the polls as they claim she is. I only know 1 person so far who has said they would vote for her.
Is Wall Street in her pocket? It seems to me that if you leave the $bucks$ out of it, Obama stands alot better chance of taking it (thus the money pouring in to Hillary)....
It's a crooked world.
TSP - re Hillary - I think that she's the top contender to your MSM - and we all know what your MSM doesn't know about anything political, don't we. I doubt that she's top contender really.
Here Nonny, from CNN...
Karl Rove stepping down
Karl Rove, President Bush's senior political adviser, is resigning at the end of August. "Obviously it's big loss to us he is a great colleague, good friend and a brilliant mind," said deputy White House press secretary Dana Perino. developing story
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/13/rove.resign/index.html
Re: Dropping A Turdblossom
This doesnt really mean squat to me, honestly... the douchebag gets to leave on his own accord to pursue more evil plans from a new, less visible "undiscolsed" location, under the guise of "spending more time with his family".
Like everything else these loads of dung have done, this is total bullshnit as well.
Scumbags go underground when the pressure is on... this is no different... and the slackass dems never laid a glove on him...
Pathetic.
Monkey - does he get a nice big pension now after his resignation comes into effect? Do you have to keep paying him many dollars for the rest of his life?
Posted by: TSP at August 13, 2007 06:22 AM
IMHO, Hillary is the media darling, gets the most press (pretty well guaranteed to get top headlines thanks to Murdoch), AND has the favor of the corporations who donate the most to her campaign. Obama is the other media darling.
Both are "controversial" - or, at least bungling bobble heads can create fake controversies because of either one based on sex or race. Their campaign platforms are virtually identical - both are dramatically Republican Lite, including warmongering rhetoric that sounds disturbingly like Georgie and Dickie. I wonder who is being asked these polling questions that skew the top three candidates as Hillary, Obama, and Edwards....
If the DLC chooses to be lemmings of Lamestream Media "opinion" at the convention, they'll select a Hillary/Obama or Obama/Hillary ticket. Bobble heads will then make the whole campaign about sex and race and totally ignore the much larger and genuine issues of war crimes (Iraq invasion, occupation, torture, Gitmo, etc.) and the lies that got us into the war, and corporations that have dang near taken over government, and any other topics that are genuine issues. It will be a media circus over trivialities, and that could easily leave 'PubliCONS in charge.
I also don't personally know anyone who favors Hillary or Obama or Edwards. One person I know is looking at third party candidates. None are voting for 'PubliCONS. But if anyone took a poll amongst them, the only one who might get any votes might be Kucinich - except for a few who have distinctly lemming tendencies in their personalities and would vote for Hillary/Obama just because they don't look at issues deeply.
I'm looking for clear choices. With the exception of Kucinich - who is most certainly not getting much press - there are no good choices; I don't want to vote for another warmonger. As of today (and I reserve the right to change my mind), if I were heading to my local precinct to vote, Kucinich is the only one I could vote for based on his campaign platform.
I'm terribly afraid I'll have to enter the voting booth in '08, holding my nose, to vote for Democrats only because they aren't Republicans. I resent the fact that my choices are that limited - thanks to media collusion.
Sorry to go off-topic - I'm on a role. I want to know when the pragmatists were overtaken by the neocons and how it happened. & why. I still want to know if it's more about blackmail, profit or peak oil. It's not "9/11 changed everything" because the answer might be r/t 9/11 as well (why it happened or why it wasn't prevent).
It's like I don't want to find a conspiracy theory - I want to develop one. Oh well .. maybe I need to eat something.
Posted by: not my president at August 12, 2007 02:28 PM
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In this interview, Cheney could merely be publicly following the "party line" and agreeing with BUSH41. In private, Cheney may have had his own view. Also, at that point Cheney had not joined Halliburton which has two big interests Iraq - oil and military spending....
Posted by: monkey at August 13, 2007 07:03 AM
"Brilliant mind"...??? Gag-g-g-g-g-g-g....
Good he's going, but that's not nearly enough. I wanna see a perp walk. I want his ass in jail. There's also that little matter of the Congressional subpoena he's still ignoring....
This is a Monday morning news dump and Lamestream Media will be chewing on this piece of candy all week. There's a diarist at Kos that thinks it's to cover this story:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/13/53629/6321
Bush's Supreme Failure: The Taliban Have Prevailed
I just wonder what will come with the Friday night news dump this week? That's the one that is usually the most important, the one that gets ignored all the time - by the time Lamestream Media catches up, the story is old news.
The LSM is finally taking notice of Hillary's unpopularity among activists:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20237246/
Posted by: Ally McRepuke at August 12, 2007 10:46 PM
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Pollster Mark Penn defends Queen Hillary....
Isn't Penn the corporate/ push pollster that labor wants HIllary to dump...??
IRAQ SUMMER NATIONWIDE ACTIONS:
Iraq Summer is a campaign organized by Americans Against Escalation in Iraq and the Campaign to Defend America, designed to turn public opinion against the war in Iraq into political pressure on members of Congress who stand in the way of a responsible end to the war in Iraq.
Iraq Summer is focused on causing foundation of congressional support for the President's Iraq strategy to collapse. To achieve this goal, organizers, Iraq and Afghanistan veterans and military families across the country will use field operations, build coalitions, organize paid and earned media strategies, conduct volunteer events and combine nuts and bolts organizing tactics with cutting edge online organizing techniques to turn up the heat on members of Congress who are blocking a safe end to the Iraq war.
100 staff will be working in 15 states (Delaware, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia) to target more than 60 members of Congress who are blocking the passage of legislation that will bring a safe end to the war in Iraq.
http://www.noiraqescalation.org/iraq_summer/
Karl Rove to resign August 31;
'I'm not going to stay or leave on whether it pleases the mob'
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Karl_Rove_to_Resign_August_31_0813.html
GOOOOOOOOD MORNING PATRIOTS!!!
OMG it is really true
Mr. Rove will have to savor it from somewhere other than his West Wing office. He's resigning effective Aug. 31 --
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118697458949295744.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
I musta went to bed too early last night.
Wow!
YEEEEEHHHAAAWWWWW!!!!
Apparently they are no longer sending Kristol the memos... HAHAHA!!
UPDATE III: Even while Rove has been talking about finding the right time to depart for a year, Bill Kristol never saw it coming. On Fox News this morning, Kristol said:
"Karl’s departure is pretty sudden and for me, pretty surprising. … Karl Rove loves politics. He’s awfully smart. And September’s going to be an awfully big month for the presidency. It’s odd that he’s not going to be there."
HAHAHAHA!!! HAHAHAHA!!
HEHEHEHE!
OMG I feel like dancing a freaking jig!
Something serious is about to break loose, karl is trying to get the hell out of Dodge ahead of something.
No way he would leave otherwise.
Pollster Mark Penn defends Queen Hillary....
Isn't Penn the corporate/ push pollster that labor wants HIllary to dump...??
Posted by: Ralpheh at August 13, 2007 07:54 AM
Ralpheh, Mark Penn is hired by the HRC Campaign as her pollster; each campaign has done this. The job of the pollster is to follow public opinion and report back to the candidate's team how s/he is doing. In some cases, pollsters push message out, but mostly their job is to try and gauge how ideas and issues are playing. They do this through a number of ways; phone polling and focus groups being primary.
In the 2004 campaign, phone polling and focus groups revealed a large concern with national defense, and support for the invasion of Iraq that made no sense to those of us who actually read and think.
Until the online communities can have an effect on what folks know and understand in terms of overcoming the daily doses of reality TV, mainstream news media, tabloid journalism etc., I am afraid that the Mark Penns of the world will be leading the Dems in the direction of the lowest common denominator, as usual.
On Karl Rove: Karl did not rely on pollsters so much as create the realities he knew people wanted to believe in. What he did was beyond push-polling. It was truly creating an alternate universe.
That said, I think he is leaving now because his work is done.
He can only go downhill from here, into indictments, etc. And I would imagine the bloodied gloves do not fit his small, white, gentlemanly-looking hands.
They have no horse in the next race. They are done. And they have changed the face of democracy forever, made nice soft comfy beds for themselves (wait until we all learn how much profit these criminals have cleared in the past six years), and provided for a government of the wealthy, by the corporations, and for themselves.
Bye-bye Karl. Enjoy the fruits of your labors--until we, the people, come for you.
There are always paybacks...
Was Rove pushed out???
Mark Penn is a corporate/ anti-union pollster. The AFL-CIO has demanded that Clinton get rid of him.
as I said above, I think Mark Penn is reporting on anti-union sentiment, and probably has no personal feelings about unions. The problem with these folks is not their personal beliefs: as far as I can tell from meeting some of them, they have none. The problem is with their questions and how they interpret the answers.
Until and unless we can engage in conversations, with facts, with folks across the country, we are stuck with a system that mis-interprets public beliefs regularly, not by design, but by being driven by profit.
as I said above, I think Mark Penn is reporting on anti-union sentiment, and probably has no personal feelings about unions. The problem with these folks is not their personal beliefs: as far as I can tell from meeting some of them, they have none. The problem is with their questions and how they
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Mark Penn's business is taking money from, and polling for corporations and Republicans. That is why labor is mad - and they should be.
"Bye-bye Karl. Enjoy the fruits of your labors--until we, the people, come for you.
There are always paybacks...
Posted by: karen at August 13, 2007 08:37 AM
Amen Sister!
Was Rove pushed out???
Posted by: Ralpheh
I think he has proven he can not be 'pushed' out.
He is running from something.
He is running from something.
Posted by: Christy at August 13, 2007 09:51 AM
... or running something else.
No Monkey.
He has to be running. Karl is much smarter than georgie, he is even smarter than rummy and dick.
But there comes a time when EVERY MAN realizes he is not as freaking smart as he thought he was.
He has painted himself into a very dark corner. I was expecting him to run, I just never dare get my hopes up till I saw it.
I think Karl had a moment of realization, and he knows two things...he can not save georgie, and they've been involved in WAR CRIMES.
Delicious, delicious Karl is about to run like hell. It will be so fun to watch him go nowhere.
We are coming for you Karl.
For war crimes.
No place on earth will hide him.
Except SAUDI ARABIA.
Ralpheh, Yes they should be mad. But not b/c Penn works for corporations--he has to work outside any politcal beliefs he has in order to stay in business. Politics does not pay and working every few years does not make for consistent income!
Every consultant, pollster, advisor in DC does corporate work as well as political work--and lobbying may be part of what their firm does. It's the only way to play in this town.
What we should ALL be mad about is the resulting symbiotic (and not in a good way) relationships such a system encourages.
If you were a corporate executive and you wanted some polling done on your new product or service, wouldn't you want to hire the guy with the rolodex so that whatever results and advice s/he gave you could also be easily transferred into, say...
legislation on behalf of your corporation?
And wouldn't you really really want to hire the guy who has the cell number of the President?
It's all about who you know in this town.
So what the unions, and the online communities, and the LEGITIMATE nonprofits (check out In Fundraising's Murky Corners: Candidates See Little of Millions Collected by Linda Chavez's Family at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/12/AR2007081201371.html ) need to do is to work together to change this counter-democratic way of doing business.
As long as some of us can buy our way into power, without consideration of the betterment of the people, and as long as those few have access to the even-more-powerful, all of our puny efforts to educate and empower people will fail to deliver democracy.
We ought to be in the streets, and we are not. We ought to be railing in the media, and we are not. We ought to be running for Congress, taking a stand in our communities, speaking out reasonably and clearly, and providing truth and we cannot afford to quit our jobs and spend all our time doing what we know needs to be done.
All we can do is to continue to inform each other and take it to our neighbors, and hope that every bit of truth goes viral.
If they get the same deal as Idi Amin, I would say that is a sweet deal.
Just think of how much more important their American slaves are to the Saudis.
The final dupe is in play. Roves resignation signals that as clear as a bell.
They are trying to create a new reality right now, before we can anticipate it.
So....Stop them already.
Christy,
I really think that Rove is happy as a clam and is leaving because his work is finished. He is going off to a few years of vacation.
They are not afraid of the Dems! That fix is clearly in--a few words of fear whispered in their ears works wonders. It goes like this:
"Chatter from terrists. Attack imminent. Your poll numbers will drop if you don't give us extraordinary powers."
I am afraid that we the people are the only hope for democracy.
I am afraid that we the people are the only hope for democracy.
Posted by: karen at August 13, 2007 10:21 AM
Welcome to the Revolution darlin.
We, the People are the absolute worst enemy they could have made.
The US Constitution still lives, in spite of them. It unites us even now. They know it will not die, they can not kill it. It lives in us.
I doubt any of them are as happy as they pretend to be. They are to blame for one hell of a mess and it is all collapsing around them.
The republicans are ruined as a party. Not even republicans will excuse them anymore. Only the implicated are still denying it.
They ain't scared of democrats? They should be.
I would be if I were them, watching my own party bailing in droves.
I agree the fix is in. But Nancy does not know who she is jacking with.
We the People can stand against georgie and the Chinese and well everybody else, We certainly can make sure Nany finds her place and stays in it.
She has a Constitutional duty and obligation to We. So does Conyers.
Just because they forgot that does not mean WE have.
New thread
& heard about Rove - to escape prosecution?
I am not a democrat right now, I have not been for a long time. Still registered just don't care if I am related or not to them.
I am a patriot of the United States Constitution.
And any dem that is helping to destroy it is my enemy.
So help me God.
from Atlantic Monthly - Why Rove Failed
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/13/85912/3513
Christy
I'm a registered Dem and always have been but my allegiance is first as a global citizen. When the policy of the United States tramps on the downtrodden, that United States is out of line with the karma of the planet and needs to change. The Constitution, if followed, does not trod on people! So I'm on your side!
Christy,
I really think that Rove is happy as a clam and is leaving because his work is finished. He is going off to a few years of vacation.
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Isn't Rove under a subpoena??? from the House and the Senate??
Christy,
I really think that Rove is happy as a clam and is leaving because his work is finished. He is going off to a few years of vacation.
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Isn't Rove under a subpoena??? from the House and the Senate??
It took me until 11:00 a.m. this morning for it to dawn on me that Rove is probably leaving the White House, taking a short vacation, then going to hit it hard for the '08 Presidential campaign. He will IMO be strategizing and working with the public relations firms and grass roots headquarters.
DUH.
ARTICLE: Blackwater brass forms intelligence company (The ...Cofer Black, vice chairman of Blackwater USA, announced Tuesday the formation of a new CIA-type private company to provide intelligence services to ...
http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=119833&ran=88794
You feel safer already, coming to a community near you
Posted by: not my president at August 12, 2007 10:50 PM
I agree they seem Republican-lite. However, after speaking with one of them, I can tell you he was not in favor of all the things this administration has done.