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Summer Drinks: ImPEACHment Fizz, Oversight Sparkler, The Election Reform Crush, and Iced Petraeus
It's the dog days of August and everyone, except the troops, of course, is lying back and sipping the 2007 recess refreshers. Here is our own version of 2007's summer drink recipes:
ImPEACHment Fizz: Our friend Diane from the Backbone Campaign handed out peaches at a progressive fundraiser the other night, inspiring this suggested combo:
1 part ImPEACHment Schnapps
1 part Gingerly Ale
Crushed Congress on ice
Mix well and serve to your elected officials whenever you run into them at home or on vacation. Do explain the ingredients.
Next, we whip up something we call the Oversight Sparkler:
1 jigger Kick-Some-Ass rum
2 jiggers Wake-Me-Up orange juice
1 jigger Pay-Attention-Already Tonic Water
Add, Limes-of-Spines
Mix well and serve to your elected officials whenever you run into them at home or on vacation. Do explain the ingredients.
The Election Reform Crush
Inspired by the last-hour efforts of PFAW and Steny Hoyer to compromise the Holt Bill (HR 811), which is not so great in the first place, and which was followed by a self-serving note from PFAW telling us how great our elections are going to be, albeit AFTER 2008, we offer up the following recipe:
Take one lemon and beat the hell out of it.
After you feel better, place the maceration in a blender
Add ice you have crushed in your bare hands
Pour in as much Jack Daniels as you can stand
Take the sugar canister and grab enough in your fist so you can sweeten up the mess, add to the blender
Whip it.
Mix well and serve to your elected officials whenever you run into them at home or on vacation.
And finally, if you find yourself worrying about Iraq or the troops sweltering in 2,000 degree-heat, being blown up by insurgents we pretty much invited in with our inability to secure what really needed to be secured -- the hearts and lives of the Iraqi people -- here's a ticket to oblivion we can all use:
Iced Petraeus
Scotch whiskey of your choice, for forgetting
Chamomile tea, for calmness
Kool-Aid, your choice of flavors
Fresh minty simple syrup, for optimism
Ice cubes to run over your face and neck before adding to the drink, for coolness under pressure
Drink one-two daily until September rolls around and we see if The Surge worked.
Do not serve the Iced Petraeus to your elected officials; they have been drinking it already and, unlike the rest of the drink recipes above, they already feel the effects.
A little early for drinking but we'll see what happens after I down some coffee!
Today is Candidate Day at YearlyKos which is also Media Feeding Frenzy Day.
MSM has NO interest in this convention other than Celebrity Spotting.
By the way, you can recommend this same diary at DailyKos!!
NonnyO
I read in the lower thread "YearlyKos Bans Impeachment" - I have not heard that specifically. Most of the Forums have more to do with things like organizing your community,helping people win in purple states, things like that.
It is a big joke that people like O'Reilly compare YearlyKos to the KuKuxKlan or Nazi Party but to the left. They are not to the Left at all but quite mainstream and pragmatic, real Democrats.
There is some stuff on Voting Integrity and a little on Foreign Policy but I went last year also in Vegas and for political street type action and activism, this is not quite the place to go.
There was a good Forum where Bloggers asked MSM hard questions. & there was one with Media Matters where it was pointed out that what is CALLED "left" by the media is actually mainstream.
I would be shocked if YearlyKos actually DID promote impeachment. It is much more grassroots political tradition oriented but incorporating computers than anything radical.
I like it for what it is but for activism outside normal channels I would have to rely on peace groups. The only candidate appearing today who will speak true Truth to Power will be Kucinich and we all know that in this America, he is a symbolic candidate.
It's disappointing I know. There are all manner of rumors too, like Hillary not wanting to be photographed with bloggers. Those are lies. Bloggers are for the most part, quite mainstream and it's only the most extreme of FAUX that would try to pretend otherwise.
I do think liberal and progressive blogs and even YouTube scare the conservatives a little, and I did see another talk about demographics and the "youth vote" is strongly Dem, moreso in 2006 than in 2004.
You know, I was talking to someone who works for a Senator last night and talking about how my idealism/pragmatism continuum adapts depending on whether I'm talking local, national, international etc. and by issue.
Some call YearlyKos progressive or lefty, and I would call it mainstream liberal Democrat. There are other elements within but all it seems to be, to me, is a way to incorporate more people into what is already happening. Just my two cents.
The Revolution will happen elsewhere, like maybe in South America.
Democrats who voted yes to extend warrantless wiretaping etc (at this point, unconfirmed: the vote is not yet in the official Senate website)
Many are the usual suspects; others are more disappointing.
Arkansas
01 Lincoln (D) Yes.
02 Pryor (D) Yes
California
03 Feinstein (D) Yes
Colorado
04 Salazar (D) Yes.
Delaware
05 Carper (D) Yes.
Florida
06 Nelson (D) Yes.
Hawaii
07 Inouye (D) Yes.
Indiana
08 Bayh (D) Yes.
Louisiana
09 Landrieu (D) Yes.
Maryland
10 Mikulski (D) Yes.
Minnesota
11 Klobuchar (D) Yes.
Missouri
12 McCaskill (D) Yes.
Nebraska
13 Nelson (D) Yes.
North Dakota
14 Conrad (D)
Pennsylvania
15 Casey (D) Yes.
Virginia
16 Webb (D) Yes.
It is almost noon here, but not too hot. So an impeachment fizz at this time may not be the best thing for me.
The Republican representing my congressional district and an ultra right winger (Peter Roskam), has returned from Iraq. He has prepared his constituents to the fact that he is going to continue to support the occupation. He "trusts" Petraeus to tell the complete truth and give all the details. He also believes that the current military strategy is effective and achieving its goals. ....Tammy Duckworth is not running and nobody has declared to run against Roskam...... I live in hell.
Posted by: oncall at August 4, 2007 12:51 PM
I hear you. When the Democrats have no candidate in a district, that's living hell for the constituents.
I had no Democratic candidate for Congress last year.
Fortunately, DCCC has since wised up and come up with a candidate for my district, after seeing how corrupt my rep was.
Hang in there!
Regarding PFAW...
They whined about the Roberts Supreme Court, but refused to do anything substantial about it.
I've since put them in my junk mail filter (as I couldn't find a way to unsubscribe).
Posted by: not my president at August 4, 2007 09:45 AM
YKos has conservative sponsors too, like the national sales tax people (fairtax.org).
I see the real purpose of YKos as not to push a specific, narrow agenda, but rather give the attendees tools to more effectively campaign, and make their communities better places.
And as long as that's the case, I will be more than happy to attend the next one. If they want to push narrow agendas, and shut me up for being outspoken about ethnic racism and homophobia, then no thanks.
Ally
I don't think they shut people up - it's really pretty liberal bunch but I would never call them "lefties" - that's O'Reilly.
I did see a Fox news camera in front of my face.
Just saw all the candidates, which is one reason why I came - I flew for 5 bucks since I had Frequent Flyer Miles I HAD to use, and I registered early so it costed less.
After seeing the candidates, I am more confused than ever but that is fine. I have to consider -
what they promise
who pays them
their record
pragmatism
their opponent
what media will do
the makeup of the country
I liked alot of things Dodd and Richardson said. Obama has some good ideas but I don't consider him or Edwards strong on foreign policy. H Clinton was politically adept but in this milieu, the "establishment" candidate. Edwards got shut down once by Kucinich about "hedge funds." Gravel was at times brilliant because he is on the fringe and can say whatever he wants but reminded us what politicians will say and do to get into office.
All in all worth seeing but I still do not have a pony in the race and think that is quite reasonable given how early it is. It would be smart to use a Vice President strong on foreign policy and very "seasoned" and that could open up some good tickets.
I would rather see Gore/Clark (just saw Wesley Clark yesterday and it was great!)
Ally,
I think you would find enough here to make it worth your while.
Hi everyone from Y-Kos.
THe debates were great!!! I am happy to hear the tremendous ideas of those on stage. A thorough discussion on public financed campaigns.
BUt i'm in a crowded hallway and being pushed.
Posted by: not my president at August 4, 2007 04:16 PM
Thanks for keeping me and all of us informed.
Your feedback, plus all the smear job from O'Reilly, are reinforcing my desire to attend next year's YKos more than ever. But I have a feeling that the Democratic National Convention will split the attendees with YKos (not many hardcore activists are able to attend both, I am afraid).
And thanks to O'Reilly, I will also head for the nearest Audi and Mercedes showrooms now, to look at possible replacements for my BMW. I won't be ready to actually replace until my savings accounts mature in a few months, but I want to do my homework now.
Good thing you had frequent flier miles! I have tons as well, but I'm hoarding them for a future European trip.
REGARDING IMPEACHMENT:
quote:
It takes a majority of the House to do so, and it takes two-thirds of the Senate (if my memory serves) to convict. Barring some new major development or revelation, that simply will not happen. I don't understand why anyone would single out Pelosi or Reid or certainly Democrats in Congress on this
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1) Impeachment is the right thing to do (not the easy thing, politically, to do)
2) There are new things coming out every week - the latest being the rushed meeting with Ashcroft in the hospital where FBI Mueller was standing watch over the former A.G.; the wholesale lying about Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch and suspicious deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan; the Walter Reed scandal; the unconstitutional signing statements; the unconstitutional national security letters; the (perhaps) unconstitutional presidential order on seizing assets of American people accuse of "hurting" the Iraq war effort.
3) Even if the Democrats lose in the Senate on impeachment, at least they will have done the right thing and attempted to get rid of Cheney or Bush.
4) The only way of bringing the troops home from Iraq maybe to threaten Bush with impeachment.
Well, we met some of the Kos posters like Angry Rasoman (?) and One Pissed Off Liberal
We drank beer and ate grilled meat courtesy of the Teamsters,
met Jimmy Hoffa, Bill Richardson and Mike Gravel
and we saw Markos Moulitzas pull up in a flag-draped eighteen wheeler!
& now we're waiting for the evening speech and build-a-dessert event.
Sitting at an outlet on the floor like everybody else ..
A lesson to all the Bush Believers.
Bush Keeps Israel Close, Saudi Arabia Closer
By Robert Scheer
Go figure: From the White House comes the news that self-styled anti-terrorism crusader George Bush wants to sell $20 billion in high-tech military equipment to Saudi Arabia, the source of most of the financing, and 15 of the 19 hijackers, for the Sept. 11th terrorist attacks on the United States. The justification can’t be that this is yet another boondoggle for the military-industrial complex—the big winner in the war on terror—so we are told instead that the Sunni-dominated Saudi kingdom needs this weaponry to withstand a future challenge from those dastardly Shiite fellows in Iran.
Yes, the very same extremists whose surrogates are now, as a consequence of the U.S. invasion, pretending to be the indigenous government of Iraq. Recall that the Shiite militants who rule Tehran, along with the Sunni nuts around Osama bin Laden, were both the sworn enemy of Saddam Hussein. Now both of those forces are the main players, according to the Bush administration, vying for power in “liberated” Iraq, and our president is in the inane position of playing one group of fanatics against the other in the name of securing Iraq as a democratic haven.
White House officials told The New York Times that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates intend to use the occasion of their joint visit to Saudi Arabia “to press the Saudis to do more to help Iraq’s Shiite-dominated government.” Huh? Why in the world would the Sunnis, who control Saudi Arabia and are frightened to their bones of Shiites throughout the Gulf, be party to consolidating Shiite power in Iraq?
To complete the circle of madness, White House officials tell reporters that the hope of the latest arms sale program is that the Saudis will be so thrilled with their new weapons that they will stop funding the Sunni insurgents who are currently killing Americans. The absurdity of this position is that it makes the Saudis the big winners in the war on terror and yet expects them to cut out behavior that has played so effectively to the kingdom’s advantage. The nation which was most directly responsible for spawning the original al-Qaida attacks on the U.S., and which has since helped finance the violence in Iraq, is now being rewarded with a long-sought weapons modernization package. Thus, a new generation of deadly toys finds its way into the volatile Mideast.
Embarrassing facts undermining Bush’s insistence that Iraq is the key battleground in the war on terror are that al-Qaida, which was not allowed a presence in Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, is now said by Bush to be behind the insurgency and that half of the foreign suicide bombers have been Saudi nationals. Why would the Saudis now move to stem the flow of terrorists across their border when Bush is rewarding them so handsomely for their past support of terrorism? After all, this administration has never demanded an accounting from the Saudis for the kingdom’s support of the Taliban government when it was coddling Saudi terrorist financer bin Laden. Nor has Bush’s camp ordered any serious examination of just how 15 Saudi “soldiers” were recruited, and provided with legitimate Saudi passports and American visas, to commit the mayhem for which the Iraqi people have been so severely punished.
While the $20-billion weapons package will no doubt be supported vigorously by lobbyists for a defense industry that stands to make a financial killing from the deal, it is expected to meet opposition in Congress, particularly from those who fear the impact of this new weaponry on the security of Israel. No problem—“senior officials” in the White House assured The New York Times that the Saudi arms package would be balanced with a $30.4-billion military aid package for Israel. Then, of course, some large amount of military “aid,” to the tune of $13 billion, will also have to be extended to Egypt to keep the dictator in Cairo on board.
What a deal! The Saudis pony up billions in cash, American taxpayers come up with an amount more than twice as high to keep the Israelis and Egyptians happy, and U.S. war profiteers, Bush’s most reliable core constituency group, make out like bandits. Hey, it’s only money, and the only real cost might be to folks who get caught in the line of fire of those weapons in wars to come for generations. But not to worry, most of them don’t vote in U.S. elections anyway.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070731_scheer_saudi_arms_deal/
Watch the Howard Dean Keynote, Courtesy UStream.tv
If you missed the Howard Dean keynote this evening, or you just want to watch it again you can courtesy of Ustream.tv. Dean had a great keynote and was cheered on by a huge energized crowd in Chicago on the opening night of YearlyKos 2007.
Watch the Video Below
http://www.yearlykosconvention.org/node/724
You know, I was talking to someone who works for a Senator last night and talking about how my idealism/pragmatism continuum adapts depending on whether I'm talking local, national, international etc. and by issue.
Posted by: not my president at August 4, 2007 09:45 AM
Yes, nmp - here too. We only have 6 states and 2 territories, all of which are Labor governed. Our Federal govt is Liberal/National coalition. Our Labor is your Democrat and our Liberal/National = your neo cons. In about 8 weeks we could find ourselves with Labor in ALL states and territories as well as Federal. I don't know that this is a good thing. But state elections happen at different times from Fed elections so that may change then.
Suz and I will write something but if you are impatient to see pictures or need a laugh, click on my name. Comment if you can. I am a little looped on margaritas so had to go in and correct typos and am now at 31% power.
1. GO next year.
2. BLOG more.
3. Let's get organized!
nmp - I think the pictures must have fallen into the margaritas.
We the People know this. Whilst Australia continues to mine uranium, the world will continue to use it for weaponry as well as energy. The time couldn't be better for deporting all the arrogant world leaders and their cohorts to some toxic island that has been mined and rampaged through - and simply abandon them. I feel they will all be men, so there'll be no worries that these awful men may reproduce themselves. Let them kill each other or try and survive. I'm including arrogant leaders like Robert Mugabe in this.
Hiroshima Day message 'still rings true'
August 5, 2007 - 12:59PM
Australia's growing international belligerence means the anti-war message of Hiroshima Day continues to ring true, event organisers say.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Hiroshima-Day-message-still-rings-true/2007/08/05/1186252522963.html
We the People know this. Whilst Australia continues to mine uranium, the world will continue to use it for weaponry as well as energy. The time couldn't be better for deporting all the arrogant world leaders and their cohorts to some toxic island that has been mined and rampaged through - and simply abandon them. I feel they will all be men, so there'll be no worries that these awful men may reproduce themselves. Let them kill each other or try and survive. I'm including arrogant leaders like Robert Mugabe in this.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Hiroshima-Day-message-still-rings-true/2007/08/05/1186252522963.html
Amen to that
dwahzon is drunk (but insists she's not).
I'm on cloud 9. Casey & Fe will explain. Unfortunately, there are photos as proof.
YearlyKos rocks.
I'm so tired, I can't type let alone think.
Just know that we have met the future president of the United States.
Hey (King) oncall! We really enjoyed "escorting" you to dinner. ;-)
If you want to know how your Rep voted regarding the (illegal) expansion of FISA, here's the link:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll836.xml
My Rep voted Nay... Gotta go send him a kudo letter....
Yay Dwahzon!
Posted by: madame defarge at August 4, 2007 11:54 PM
Please keep us updated, madame! It's a shame I am not sharing the fun with all of you.
Maliki rejects Sunnis' resignations
August 5, 2007 - 7:59PM
Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has refused to accept the resignations of six Sunni Arab cabinet ministers who quit last week, a source in the prime minister's office said.
Deputy Prime Minister Salam al-Zobaie and five other ministers from the largest Sunni Arab bloc in parliament, the Accordance Front, triggered a political crisis by announcing their resignations.
A senior member of parliament from the Accordance Front said the ministers would still quit, despite Maliki's decision not to accept their resignations.
"We are insisting on our position. For us, the matter does not end with Maliki accepting or rejecting the resignations," Salim al-Jibouri told Reuters.
"We are talking about a program. The issue is if he accepts or refuses to accept our program," referring to the Front's lists of demands that include disbanding Shi'ite militias and giving the bloc a bigger say in security matters.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/04/AR2007080401272.html
The Congress So Far
An ugly finish to a rocky start
Excerpt:
In the final hours before recess, it was hard to know which was more shameful: the administration's use of the looming vacation to bully Democrats into accepting its overbroad rewrite of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act or Democrats' spinelessness in caving to this strong-arming.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/04/AR2007080401324.html
Bloggers Give Clinton a Mixed Reception
Candidates Forum Highlights Importance of Net Roots to Democratic Party
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-dems5aug05,0,4158994.story
Democratic hopefuls try to woo bloggers
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton takes barbs from other candidates and boos from the crowd for refusing to reject lobbyists' contributions.
Excerpt:
Mike Gravel won laughter and nods of approval when he said: "All politicians walk in the mud … because they all have to raise money."
Senators Planning Ways to Oust Gonzales
By LAURIE KELLMAN
The Associated Press
Thursday, August 2, 2007; 5:40 PM
WASHINGTON -- Senators in both parties concede they don't have enough evidence to make a perjury charge stick against Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. But that doesn't mean they're going to quit trying to pry him from office.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., is considering asking the Justice Department's inspector general to examine whether Gonzales' answers to questions from lawmakers amount to misconduct.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2007080201634.html
BUT.............................
In the House, a group of Democrats have introduced a resolution directing the Judiciary Committee there to impeach Gonzales. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California, who has called for a new attorney general, said the measure had merit but was not atop her list of priorities.
Both the Senate and House committees have been investigating the firings of several U.S. attorneys, abuses of the anti-terrorism U.S. Patriot Act and Gonzales' role in electronic eavesdropping and other intelligence gathering efforts.
I am sorry to have not met madame or Casey.
Woz
You can try again - I had The Stranger instead of our blog.
I know kos must seem exciting, but, really, it obviously will have no impact outside yall having some fun.
The future president you just met, will he be spying on us and invading countries too? Cause it really seems like they only speak against it to score political points. And only with words they do not have to back up.
Kos is a great way to get everyone together, out of the way of DC, so the dems can give him even more power.
Want more money for illegal wars...ok, here.
I bet Chicago is lovely. Too bad all those people have no chance in hell of saving this nation.
Christy
You have exceeded even me in cynicism but I don't think you will be able to truly judge unless you yourself attend or know more about it.
There may be no help of "saving this nation" anyway, but the progressive blogosphere (and I'm quoting Kos from last night) had at least a little to do with Lieberman leaving the Democrats, with Tester and Webb and other close victories in difficult states.
Ok to folks who follow this stuff better than I~ I see that Pelosi imediately posted a letter to Conyers (following FISA vote) asking for admnedments~
the question is this sincere or is CYA ?
Opinions? Thoughts?
http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=661
Here is the keynote from Kos from last night
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/4/233415/6332
This group and others like it never promised to save any nation.
That would be impossible. The keynote was worth hearing and is worth reading.
I can see if you don't like it don't go but to attack the whole group as a waste of other
people's time is pretty amazing.
NMP, I have a reason to be cynical.
I know all I need to know about Kos. It has been kinda hard to miss.
No hope of saving this nation.... I doubt that will be the topic any more than impeachment is.
You could go to DailyKos website every day and have no idea b out the KearlyKos convention.
Here is an interview with General Wesley Clark after he appeared here.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/016196.php
Posted by: Christy at August 5, 2007 09:59 AM
Christy,
TN. Candidate just announced at Y-kos that he is signing on to impeach Cheney. I don't have the name and this laptop is difficult for me to type on. So please go look at this diary
http://dailykos.com/story/2007/8/4/231132/4180
Also sorry not to have met OnCall.
Casey, Fe, Dwahzon, Madame, Oncall,
It sounds like you had a great DCP meetup.
I had a great time myself at the labor barbeque and met some wonderful people. I also got to enjoy meeting Jesselyn Radack in person.
It's funny in a sad way though here at y-kos. We were sitting on the bench eating dinner. And there was a young girl, only a twenty year old, who was in a wheelchair sitting by herself with people just walking around her and ignoring her. You know me, by now I guess. So I'm sure you realize that I went over and invited her to join us.
She immediately said yes and joined us. Though I suck at 'hostessing' with people I don't know, my friends immediatly welcomed her and we had an interesting converstion. She eventually left and we thanked her for joining us.
I guess, it was a mutually heartwarming experience. All of us felt heartwarmed by it.
I am also warmed by the way my friends welcomed Jesselyn and helped her too. That was just so sweet.
Anyways, so later on, we went to the last keynote address where they attempted to make it special by having an awesome ice cream bar, comedians, and the keynote address by Kos. That was very cool actually.
Anyway, we were at the back of the room this time. Next to us, there was a guy in a wheelchair eating his icecream by himself. At first we thought that maybe he was waiting for someone so we left him alone.
Then we decided that since nobody was coming we would invite him to join us at our table. He did. And we had someone else who we had just met at our table too. The guy could barely look at us and talk to us at first but gradually we got him more comfortable. I think he enjoyed his night.
Maybe this sounds like I'm bragging about being some sort of good samaritan but that's not my point at all.
My point is that amongst this large group of people, and people complaining about how big and fragmented the groups seemed instead of a being a community, these two people who have enough to deal with in life were excluded from the contact even though they took the initial risk by leaving their home to participate.
Why are so many people so afraid to reach out to others?
At anyrate, Oncall, if you read this, this young man lives somewhat near you. I have given him my email address and if he decides to brave helping in a campaign, he will contact me and I hope you wouldn't mind if I forward his info to you.
HR 333
That is real funny. Isn't that what, the 19th one to sign on?
Don't I remember somewhere that Conyers said if it had 17 he would act on it? Maybe he meant 25, and when we get to 25 he will actually mean 35, and by the time we actually find the hidden goal post, georgie will retire in style with trillions of dollars of OUR MONEY in his pockets and the blood of a million people on his hands.
See, conyers has his mind set on a RETROACTIVE Impeachment. Yes, it is silly, but damn what a great excuse to wait until it no longer matters wether or not he does his job.
And all those future presidents up there, dem and repellican alike... will PARDON HIM,,,for what? For any crimes he MAY HAVE committed, and they will do so under the notion that it is really what is best for our nation.
And then they will set about making sure to retain all the power georgie usurped for himself.
You wanna have some real fun...? Ask them about it. Ask the future presidents if they intend to pardon georgie for any crimes he may have committed.
I will bet you $100 bucks not a single one of them will give you a straight answer. I will bet another 100 that they will try to shut up that topic entirely.
New Thread
Posted by: sparrow at August 5, 2007 10:52 AM
Hi Sparrow,
Please forward the information to me. If your acquaintance and I have a chance I am sure we will get together. Those of us on the iceberg always look forward to having another warm body join us as we fight to make a change.
I know kos must seem exciting, but, really, it obviously will have no impact outside yall having some fun.
The future president you just met, will he be spying on us and invading countries too? Cause it really seems like they only speak against it to score political points. And only with words they do not have to back up.
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I think we (the bloggers) have contributed to moving the debate on Iraq from "however long it takes" to: When do we leave? What is success? etc... Bush was intent on staying in Iraq for sometime, perhaps building permenant military facilities. We contributed to the dismantling of the myth that "progress" was being made in Iraq and that there was any reconstruction taking place. 2 years of "happy talk" (2004 to 2006) from Bush and Rumseld wasn't going over anymore. I began calling for Rumsfeld's resignation after I read, in various accounts, how he had botched almost every aspect of the initial invasion and the post invasion period. Further, Afghanistan was doing no better.
After losing both the House and the Senate in 2006 to the Democrats (which I had thought was very unlikely), Bush immediately dumped Rumsfeld - I think it was the day after the election, Wednesday, when Bush announced that Rumsfeld was resigning. That was a big victory. (Rumfeld had more power than Rice or Powell or Tenet in the inner circle around Bush.)
I think the bloggers and internet folks are good at fund-raising lots of small individual donations candidates. My guess is that Obama's fund raising has been done mostly via the internet (not at fancy high-priced fund-raising dinners like HIllary).
I also think young people are getting more information via the internet (YouTube, Facebook, MySpace etc..). This bodes well for the Democrats.
BTW just the fact that 7 SEVEN of the Dem presidential candidates attended the conference is a victory. If the bloggers weren't an important constituency, the candidates wouldn't even bother to show up at KOS.
BTW:
C-Span's Washington Journal today had a call-in segment on the DKOS convention. It was the last segment (last 45 minutes).
I started calling and got through on the Democrat line. I was put on hold for about 10 minutes. I am the caller from Warsaw, Indiana. I plugged my website The Soapbox Road Show (I was going to slam Hillary but I just couldn't weave it in to the discussion). I told the moderator that I get most of my information via the internet and that TV network news is awful. He asked me "But, you do watch C-Span on TV, don't you?" And I said, Yeah, you guys are the best.... (Which is true - they are about the only game in TV town other than the Comedy Channel..) He laughed.