Jena 6 March

We wonder why there is so much hate in this nation? Listen to this absolutely reckless statement by Congressman Peter king:

"We have too many mosques in this country," according to Rep. Peter King, the ranking Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee.

King made that statement during an interview with The Politico , a newspaper that covers politics in the nation's capital.

"Unfortunately, we have too many mosques in this country.

Then I get an email saying Congress is ready to vote on a bill condemning moveon, as though anything said by Congressman Bohener on the house floor about our troops and the obscene comments by Ann Coulter are excusable.

... oh, and O.J. is back in Florida, in case you hadn't heard.

Exactly...it worked for the Duke "rape" case and it works here. The MSM saliviated at the story of rich white frat boys vs a poor black woman but the blogshere pushed to find the truth. PS attornies/should be attorneys I think.

From the last thread:

Posted by: Christy at September 20, 2007 07:36 AM

It is WRONG for the Democrats to abandon any region or demographics. If anything, the Dems need to go on the offensive, in the reddest of the red areas, if only to keep the Republicans defending their "safe turf" instead of starting their own offensive.

This tactic has worked well for the Republicans under Karl Rove - he knew that enough gay-bashing could turn even the bluest of the blue into contestable territory. That forced the Dems into the defensive, and that's how W won, cheating or otherwise.

Louisiana is not the only place where racism and Democratic abandonment are problems. Southern California's suburbs and ethnic ghettos (yes, they are ghettos, even if they are filled with BMW 7-series luxury cars) are not much different. For all practical purposes, the California Democratic Party has abandoned anyone who drives a non-hybrid car.

The only difference is that the racism is classic black-white in Louisiana, whereas in California, it's much more complicated - Koreans against Mexicans, Salvadorans against Vietnamese, etc, etc.

Posted by: Bubba at September 20, 2007 11:33 AM

Bubba, we need to start pounding on the fact that Peter King runs on the votes of Korean-American Christians.

And the last time I checked, Koreans were NOT whites (even though some think they are).

Posted by: Bubba at September 20, 2007 11:33 AM

And what about Tom DeLay's statement, that liberals only saw a political opportunity in the ashes of 9/11?

Ally Peter King has a lot of problems with making outrageous statements beyond the Korean community just don't understand why he keeps getting re elected. Republicans attacked war heroes JK and Max Clealand and yet they have the audacity to attack Dems and moveon about their support of the miltary. Seems like that is just their way to deflect attention from bringing home the troops even with the reasonably worded Webb Amendment. Every time I hear these attacks by the cowardly Republicans I want to take out my checkbook.

or Ann Coulters' statement about John Edwards' supposed bumper sticker about his late son.

Every time I hear these attacks by the cowardly Republicans I want to take out WAY MORE than my checkbook.

Spare Change

Bubba,

Coulter calling Edwards a "faggot" was a classic. Says so much more about Coulter's own gender confusion.

Change of topic - 1 Euro is now over $1.40 US, and the Canadian dollar has hit parity with US dollar. Thanks, W, for flushing this country down the drain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7004104.stm

not that many years ago the Canadian Dollar was at 85 cents and the Euro under a dollar.Bush just doesn't want us to buy foreign goods unless it is Chinese toothpaste or toys for us to buy at Walmart.
To attack any human being about their late child is as disgusting as I can imagine. And now I find out that it is my idiot Senator Cornyn sponsoring this stupid bill. He is up for re-election next Nov. and I just pray we have a strong candidate with a war chest to give him a run for his money. So far not so good.

The Euro went as low as 80 US cents, just five years ago. And four years ago, the Canadian dollar was below 70 cents.

As for challenging Cornyn, the Texas Democratic Party needs to wake up. But I don't have much faith in it, ever since it threw out its support of nondiscrimination ordinances, even as the Texas Republicans have gone on the theocratic offensive. The Texas Dems seem to be as much brain-dead as the California Dems, minus the influence.

Ally we are doing the best we can here in Texas but since we lost Ann Richards and Molly Ivins we just don't have the right candidates with statewide name id and money. A guy named Tony Sanchez self financed and spent $65 million to run against Rick Perry 5 years ago and ran a campaign worse than Angelides if you can believe that. We are moving to Austin and believe me Austin is just as rabid as anyone in the country, unfortunately Austin only makes up maybe 5% of the state's population. Our Houston mayor(Bill White) who welcomed the Katrina victims to the Astrodome will be running for governor(hopefully in 2 years) and we have a growing angry Hispanic poulation. He is well funded and actually knows how to run an effective campaign. There is hope here in Texas I just hope I live long enough to see an actual change.

Ally
Aren't those "lemons"? Like "apples" and "Oreos"?

& we aren't going to be penned into this country even if passports go up to $200 and the dollar is worth 10 cents on the Euro.

I think that's the end goal - to keep us from travelling and speaking out.

On other topics:

Re Dems and "red" areas - I think what we need first is another "Civil rights" movement r/t racial equality and social justice.

Some of the formely "Dem" areas were comprised of quite conservative "blue dog" type Dems such as George Wallace.

So there is more to the dynamic than Dem abandonment, since the Dems have always be and will always have to continue to be a "big tent" party.

Re Mann Coulter, I get her mailings and she gives her books away for free. She has a new one coming out about how If Democrats Were Smart They Would Become Republicans. I assume her next one will be called If Muslims Were Smart They Would Become Christians. Her podium is a false podium and she is a narcissist. She gets publicity in roughly the same manner that OJ has.

About the only thing as obnoxious is a Courtney Love MySpace blog.

As for the Senate and MoveOn, that is a shocker and has to be emanating from the lowest elements in the Senate. Sure the Senate needs to listen to Generals, but also to Constituents, or how are we different from Pakistan, with their President/Chief Military Head Dictator?

Bin Laden is still running free, the dollar is down - everything Bin Laden wanted to accomplish the powers that be have been unable to prevent.

On Jena: Very glad to see a thread header on this, as just saw that "thousands" had showed up to protest (on the Comcast header).

Well, back to work.

Her podium is a false podium and she is a narcissist. She gets publicity in roughly the same manner that OJ has.

Posted by: not my president at September 20, 2007 12:56 PM

I've heard more than a few people say that the Mann is a classic case of a disgruntled transgender "woman," seeking attention by doing the most outrageous things possible.

And I've come across more than a few of those types myself. Honestly, I don't like hanging out with transgender people, for that reason - too many basket cases, conservatives, or both (as in the Mann).

NMP

I think the correct term for an Asian who acts white is "banana."

Posted by: Bubba at September 20, 2007 12:47 PM

Loved Austin! Keep Austin Weird. :)

Is it possible to run a campaign worse than Phil Angelides'? That's awful!

As NMP says, the Dems need another round of civil rights movements, not shy away from it, if only to retake the former-Dixiecrat-turned-Republican areas. It'll be the kind of moral flip side of Karl Rove's gaybashing and its effect on Latino and other demographics.

Ally I believe that John Edward's poverty tour through Appalachia is as close to that desire as possible. Tony Sanchez outspend Rick Perry $65/$45 million and didn't respond to a single scurolous attack against him (JK did just 2 weeks too late). Politics is truly hardball especially here in Texas and our side needs to be prepared to dish it out as quickly as Rove.Politics is also a skill which neither Davis, Bustamonte or Angelides understood.

Politics is also a skill which neither Davis, Bustamonte or Angelides understood.

Posted by: Bubba at September 20, 2007 02:16 PM

Thank you, amen.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A MoveOn.org political advertisement that criticized the top U.S. commander in Iraq was "disgusting," President Bush said Thursday, accusing Democrats of being afraid to criticize the anti-war group.

Bush told reporters at a White House news conference that MoveOn.org's ad in The New York Times about Gen. David Petraeus was a "sorry deal." The September 10 full-page ad was titled "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?"

"I felt like the ad was an attack, not only on Gen. Petraeus, but on the U.S. military," Bush said. "And I was disappointed that not more leaders in the Democratic Party spoke out strongly against that kind of ad."

Bush said that "most Democrats are afraid of irritating a left-wing group like MoveOn.org" and they "are more afraid of irritating them than they are of irritating the United States military." Watch Bush condemn the MoveOn.org ad »

He said, "It's one thing to attack me. It's another thing to attack somebody like Gen. Petraeus."

Many Democratic lawmakers immediately criticized the ad after it was published.

Eli Pariser, executive director of MoveOn.org, reacted quickly to Bush's comments.

"What's disgusting is that the president has more interest in political attacks than developing an exit strategy to get our troops out of Iraq and end this awful war," Pariser said. "The president has no credibility on Iraq: He lied repeatedly to the American people to get us into the war. Most Americans oppose the war and want us to get out."

moron...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/20/bush.petraeus/index.html

monkey I posted this story and the co-ordinated attack by my Senator Cornyn and Bush via a Senate Bill. We should respond and let our Senators know that we don't censure free speech not even Ann Coulter or the Swiftboaters who have yet to apoligize to Democratic war heroes John Kerry and Max Clealand.My Senators Cornyn and Hutchinson don't understand the hypocrisy and inappropriateness of it when we have soldiers dying and bridges collapsing, maybe yours do.

apparently it passed in the Senate.

this was a post I just read that speaks to that bill and is appropriate:

"Now I want to see Republicans vote on Saxby Chambliss's campaign comparing decorated combat triple-amputee Vietnam veteran Max Cleland to Osama bin Laden."

Speaking of democrats abandoning the Deep South...

To those still pressing the line about party loyalty, perhaps you should consider who it is you are asking to be loyal and exactly what you expect us all to be loyal too+.

On this very blog I have watched the same conversation as on all other political sites. "We should just write off and ignore the south because they won't help us win elections."

"We should ignore the south, because there is no glory in it."

And yet LOYALTY is expected...?

Ahhhhh HAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHA! HAHA!

Now that is funny.

Posted by: Christy at September 20, 2007 07:43 AM

Remember when I asked you to put your thoughts down Christy
Preaching to the Choir

Excuse me, Blue State people. May I have your attention please..? Thank you.

I make it an obsessive habit to watch everything in our country lately. From down here in Louisiana, because of the 'Information Revolution,' I keep surprisingly up to date on the current clusterfuck our nation has become.

Now, normally, I don't see things in red state/blue state terms. I was taught to believe we are ALL Americans first. Period. However, there is a red/blue problem that I simply can not remain silent on anymore. It touches on EVERYTHING we hope to do.

I see all our democratic and activist leaders, all on the move. It is truly a beautiful thing. The people are waking up, and the message is trickling out, slowly but surely. Our opposition to the tyranny of the Bush family bonds us in ways that transcend blue state/red state and hold us firm against the fear. I see our leaders holding rallies in N.Y., L.A., Phoenix, and D.C.

What I do not see are rallies in Jackson, Shreveport, or Birmingham.

There may be a speech now and then, that gets heartily protested by the very loud minority, and then they are gone. Back to the blue states to preach to the choir. There is no democratic hope in the south because there are no democratic generals here fighting the republicans on their own turf. Don't get me wrong there are dems here hard at work trying desperately to spoon out the ocean. But these dems are underfunded and COMPLETELY INVISIBLE in our daily lives.

Now perhaps, you have been told that we are all morons down here that spit at outsiders and dream of the days when slaves were ours to own. Perhaps that's the image you have. But nothing could be further from the truth. By tradition the southerners are DEMOCRATS. We are only red state because the damn republicans have been rigging elections down here for more than a century. You think Ohio was ugly...? Try Louisiana EVERY election day. But, who do we tell? We are left with the corrupted leaders or telling those who will pass it on to the yankees, who then turn around and forget they once violently overthrew and occupied the very soil I am sitting above as I write this. And there were consequences.

MANY MANY consequences. All of them political. None of them easy. I wonder at times, if Martin Luther King had been from Cali would he have found it worth dying for? I doubt it.

Coming down here to make a speech and then outrun the fruit throwers on your way back to bluer borders WILL NOT WORK. You are simply overlooking the TRUE problem of the south because it is what..? Distasteful?... Tedious?... Dangerous?

And you are missing the opportunity of the ages.

The current shuck and jive campaign coming out of D.C. these days is being delivered with a southern accent. But, not eveyone who SPEAKS with an accent, THINKS with an accent. And it is WAY past time to come and engage those people in a VERY lengthy discussion. One that we can sleep on, and engage again in the morning. I have never once believed the republicans outnumber democrats down here. ONLY at the polls is this a republican stronghold, and if you believe the numbers from Florida can be skewed it's not a hard leap to see the truth about the south.

The truth is, you have abandoned us, and we need you now more than ever. We have the numbers, and the courage, and the will. But, we can not go anywhere without leaders who are willing to risk just as much as we are.

When a hero does come forth I do not know if he will be northern, or southern, black, white, red nor blue. I do NOT know if that hero that leads us to rally down here will even survive the experience. What I do know is this, WHOEVER that hero is, when they rise from the ashes of the old south, their names will live forever in the halls of heroes among men.

When that hero does come, many, including me, will give all we have to protect them. But we can not protect what we can not reach.

When the rallies that electrify the blue states are over and the choir goes home, there will STILL be a quiet sense of desperation in the deep south. As a region we are the poorest and most illiterate, even now. You could get it all back, and win the very heart and mind of the country.

But you can not take what you refuse to touch.

Christy Cole

I have kept them all::

Everyone wants Democrats to stand up with more "spine" but the minute one is, he or she is subjected to mercilous ridicule in the media and attack all the way up to the top (White House).

We are living in a country where the Vice President of the United States goes on Rush Limbaugh to speak to the people, and where Coulter is actually on television frequently.

We have descended to the depths. We may end up with a mainstream candidate, and if so, that candidate needs to beat the Republicans but if we end up even "moderate," we will be lucky. "Progressive" is still at the end of a very long tunnel, I fear.

No matter how experienced or talented such an "electable" moderate candidate may be, and how low the Republicans have sunk in the public mind, we could still have a big battle on our hands in the general election. I am prepared to back a moderate candidate in that event, while continuing to put on pressure in other ways.

The state of elections in this country still seems fairly pathetic (no real Campaign Finance Reform, shakey and nonuniform systems of voting, a Supreme Court which failed to allow Florida a 2nd recount in 2000, minority voters who stood in rain for hours and hours in Ohio in 2004, Swift Boaters who are treated as minor celebrities and on and on).

The ability of freakshows like Coulter and the Swift boaters to run rampant with the media and jerks like Bohner to say outrageous things while MoveOn is defamed and Kerry is supposed to run the campus police force (after having left the building) shows that our media is still pathetic and free speech is selective. Journalists are terrified of being accused of "leftwing bias."

These are the two main areas we agreed to work on (fair elections and open media) and are we even closer than we were three years ago after the election? There was the Holt Amendment - how did it even do? There is Dan Rather's lawsuit, three years later, being ridiculed by NBC as "without merit." There have been whistleblowers and dissenters and ship jumpers left & right. Are people listening? Where do we even start?

I only hope that if someone like Edwards, who is showing ethics and values, does not win or get a high place in the Cabinet, that he or she continues with worthy projects like going into Appalachia.

I'm glad Gore kept on with the global warming issue, and Kerry with his work in the Senate, even B Clinton with his Global Initiative. If we end up with the moderate candidate, hopefully we have a Senate that has several more Dems and a House that has an even bigger majority, or it won't make much difference, especially not given the Supreme Court we have.

I dread the news now. Iran v Israel w/open talk of bombs, even Franc chiming in with threats. The sinking dollar & reports that Saudi Arabia may ignore the rate change by the feds here. Currency selloff - who wants our treasury bonds anymore and why can enforce that petroleum (at all-time record of over $80/barrel) will continue to be sold in dollars? Fed rate cut and changes in FHA will not bail out our housing market and nobody knows what is going to happen, not even Greenspan or Bernanke or Reich or Krugman (I've been hanging on their words).

The famous vacillating perspective - is the neocon ideologue's ship sinking, with the rats running off - or are they just regrouping for a new attack, maybe with Rove behind the scenes in a different capacity (having never been frog-marched anywhere).

I don't have much appetite.

Re the South, I just saw a photo with the "50 state" people Dean has put in all over the country and I don't see that he has gotten alot of financial or morale support in order to do it.

The people cannot wait for a party to rescue them but must rise up by the grassroots and then the party will come to them.

I live in a blue state and that is STILL how it works, even here. We have red and purple areas very close to our blue areas and it always starts with the grassroots, the outreach, I mean. Then the state and national parties may start to take notice and put in some effort.

Everything takes money. That is my big complaint. Someone please tell me in what way we are still a democracy. Because I no longer see it.

http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/2007/09/relic.html

Posted by: rossiann at September 19, 2007 05:10 PM

Thanks for this link rossi. This woman's writing is so powerful. And important.

Posted by: woz at September 20, 2007 03:43 AM

I think Christys writings are so powerful and important, also.
"Nuuuw 'Awwwlins'.

Not too long ago I wrote an article entitled 'Preaching to the Chior.' in which I discussed the political abandonment of the deep south. When I wrote it I was blissfully unaware of exactly how right I was. Or how it would bring death so close in plentiful amounts.
As a resident of Louisiana I would like to tell you about what you have lost. I would like you to see it, as I saw it.

New Orleans. Or, as they say if your from here, "Nuuuw 'Awwwlins'. So famous, most think her our capital city. Baton Rouge is the capital of Louisiana, but New Orleans was our crown jewel. World wide she was known for her parties, her history, her engineering feats, her defiance of nature itself. And on top of it all was a culture unlike any place on earth. A place where history is beloved and alive.

So very, very, ALIVE.

Like most Americans I have never had a vacation, but I did find myself once in New Orleans. It changed my heart, from the first moment I saw it. The skyline in itself was not terribly distinctive but, quaint, in certain ways. Most of Louisiana is so lush the horizons are usually shortened and blunted by it. Not so there in that coastal city. But since it was under sea level you had the bizzarre feeling of having to glance upwards to find the horizon. It is actually a visual oddity you had to adjust to. You get a sense of the true power of man and nature colliding. And man winning.

The rich historical homes and streets of the Garden District were the most pleasurable sight on earth. Louisiana architecture is as unique as the rest of her and those fine homes were so beautiful I found myself day dreaming of the people that must live and work in them. I thought of the history they had witnessed. I also went into the workers districts, and houses so bright and cheerful also made me dream of those people as well in vibrant colors. I saw poetry in their anonymous, fiendly faces. Even the cemetaries are world famous and as gorgeous as you ever hope to find death.

New Orleans, a place so beautiful even the cemetaries are lovely.

Quite unexpectedly I wound up in the French Quarters at nine am on a day so clear it was a true honor to be alive. Even though Im not a drinker, and even though it was VERY early, I decided to get drunk. It took all of one strong drink at Pat O'brians. I drank my very first Long Island Ice Tea there. What a blast. The historical scenes of "Interview with a Vampire' with Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt, they filmed from right there in that historical building. Being giddy with whatever the hell they put in those 'Teas' I stood not just where stars like Cruise and Pitt stood, but I stood in a place where many histories had unfolded.

In all of Louisiana two very seperate histories exist... In New Orleans, those two histories actually became one. What a sight it was to behold. Carribian , French, African, English, Indian, Roman, Yankee, Dutch, German, Cajun and ALL American through and through.

I believed they called it 'The Big Easy' because it was so effortless to fall in love with her and her people.

I had my one tea bender and went wondering in the streets where a homeless man in a full kings costume, crown and all, rushed across the street and proposed marrige to me on the spot. He actually quoted Shakespere while asking. ( Alas, I declined.Although the classic verses were fantastic.) Before a spectacle could arise I went on further into the heart of New Orleans.

I passed art shops, museums, and five star resturaunts. I found voodoo shops, cathedrals, and gentle courtyards. And constantly as I walked I heard music. Jazz spilled into the streets like flowers blooming from one block to another. I found tranvestite strip clubs, and out of no where a mini parade almost ran me down. I found one of the seven death masks of Napoleon and the very same table and chair that General Hickory used when planning a final humiliation for the bloody british. So what the war was actually already over. We didn't know it.

Legend has it, Hickory used alligators for cannons when the real ones melted. A very inventive use for a reptile, I must say.

And everywhere you went, there were the people that are also like no other on earth. They are the bearers of the wieght of the two histories. And in truth, without them, it would have been just a place.

The people of New Orleans ARE the music. They ARE the history. They ARE the food, the flavor, the variety of what they built for us all. They are what is the most special about a bunch of buildings on the coast. As long as we have them, we have the soul of New Orleans living and breathing amongst us.

They are the soul of what is now a ghost.

And they were left behind to die. There is simply no other way to put it.

My nation has shamed me before. When I think of all the innocent Iraqis that died for lies, I have weeped bitter angry tears. I have stepped up and lent my voice to those screaming STOP IT STOP IT. But things have changed now. Talking has run its course. I am no longer in possession of the hope it would take to dare believe it would make a difference. Shame is overshadowed by rage. Rage like the ocean that is overcoming one of Americas most beloved cities.

I tried, I tried so hard to get peoples attention on the south politically. Many did respond, because I think people not from here have an inherent curiousity about the deep south. Many did respond in thoughtful debate and inclusion. In some cases I admit I FORCED the conversation in peoples faces. I had too. I always sensed I was running out of time.

I scolded, I taunted. I told them they had abandoned us. Some of them resented it very much. Who was a southerner to dare question the way things are or could be...? I stood in troubled shock as I heard people say the most awful things about us as a people. I saw and heard it said we were not even people, much less humans that deserved mercy. I only very recently realized why the resentment ran so deep.

It was not because we are rude or ignorant that you forgot us. It was not because we love guns, God or fat sherrifs. No it is not any of that.

You turned away from us politically because you did not want to see yourselves reflected in our eyes. You wanted to believe you were above history. Looking hard at us reflected back a hypocrisy so bright it was like the sun, and you had to turn away or be blinded by the sorrow of unfufilled promise.

Our broken dreams were your unwanted legacy. You forced yourself to belive we no longer dreamed at all.

When we invaded Iraq we gave them 'fair' elections. The yankees gave us those same 'fair' elections and the south has been a rigged game for over 100 years. You wanted to believe it was 'down there' not 'right here' affecting you. You saw it coming everytime you glanced this way. 'Down there' became someplace REMOVED from you. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
And then God Himself unleashed the storm we have all feared. The winds of time changes everything.

I have heard some strange reasons why people think God hit Louisiana with Katrina. I personaly am afraid in my heart it is the reckoning for 100 years of voter fraud. Had the will of the people been done, those levees would have held. Those levees were an engineering marvel. The Pride of New Orleans. Literally. The people who are New Orleans would not have let their pride falter. Thier lives depended on it. Literally.

Had the will of the nation backed them up, the levees would not have been abandoned as surely as her people were. Literally left to die in the very heart of America.

In my memory New Orleans will always be a bright, shining city by the sea. A city whos people defied the ocean every damn day. This one time they lost. After all that is what happens to people abandoned, they become lost. The ones who preyed upon the vulnerabilities of those wondering the streets of New Orleans, should ATLEAST be dealt with as harshly as the looters.

Do not let them twist history. New Orleans survived Katrina. She SURVIVED that nasty bitch. It was the levees breaking that has left people living like animals and dying on the streets. Those levees were not an act of God. They were an act of man.

One million people are homeless. SOMEONE is to blame for this.

SOMEONE WILL take the blame. We will FORCE FEED IT to them if need be. This will not stand. There is only so much decent people can take. And from now on when the refugees that are overrunning my town ask me, 'Where can I go?' I am going to tell them to go sleep in the only other home I own with plenty of free space. The White House. God as my witness, one way or another, it will become a useful structure again. And you can bet your whole empire that the refugees of Katrina will not abandon it to apathy. They need it to shelter their hungry children.
Unlike current residents they would actually be GRATEFUL to be there.

rossian you sound a lot like Linda Enterkin our Florida friend we have not heard from in a long time. I have met with our ex state chairman of Texas Party and there are activities down here in Texas but primarily to win back our legislatures and state governments firts becuase our local lives are directly effected by these fights. The hope here at least seems to be on a growing Hispanic population, but it is a long ways off. I agree we need a Presidential campaign presence(even if brief) in Atlana,Richmond, Birmigham, Houston, Dallas, Shreveport etc. During the Clinton campaign we had a two day bus tour I was on starting here in Houston to San Antonio, Waco and Dallas so it can be done by a very brave candidate b/c believe me it will be ugly next time. My theory is that it will help bump up our candidate's national polling numbers and create a national snowball effect of electability even if doesn't deliver an electoral vote and should push close states we might otherwise lose like Virginia or Arkansas over the hump.It might have even pushed JK over the 51% level which was more important than wasting campaign stop after campaign stop in hostile West Virginia which I vividly recall complaining about on the JK blog site.But I also recall getting into a shouting match with Indy in '04 over when he suggested spending millions in Texas. It has been my theory for 4 years that southern stops will help national polling numbers and lend stories of invincibility by the national media and I had hoped someone else could see if that theory holds any water.Its just my theory though.

Everybody is sending me articles on the falling dollar and I am getting ulcers.

Now you see that Dubai, unhampered, is buying up significant interest in the Nasdaq and London Stock Exchange.

Remember the video where the Chinese man laughs and says "hahaha America"? He's not the only one. Gold is soaring and there is a selloff in dollars.

Canadian dollar is expected to go up at high as $1.10 US before long and Euro could soon be worth $1.50. You would think this would help our trade deficit but no one is going to loan us money because we'll have to keep cutting interest rates or no one can get mortgages.

I don't see a way out. This is the worst since 1976. I wish we could cancel our vacation and we can't.

forgot the link about Dubai
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/20/business/deals.php

Abu Dabai is buying up Carlyle .. people talk about a "security concern" - it's an issue of financial domination not terrorism. It's a case of people lumping the whole middle east together. In reality, the rich parts dominate the poor parts economically and BUSH HELPS IT HAPPEN!

We have been sold.

Posted by: kos5678 at September 20, 2007 11:47 AM

Kos5678,

You're right attorneys should be attorneys-(literally and figuratively).

I'm not so sure the blogosphere pushed the story forward into investigating it. It seemed to me that people were treating it as an open/closed case and it seemed like it was automatically assumed that they were guilty.

But doesn't that just prove exactly why Habeas Corpus is so important? We are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. But when the media and cyberspace jumps on the bandwagon, lacking facts, lacking evidence, and lacking the whole picture, then it's as if Habeaus doesn't exist at all and we act as if they are guilty or they wouldn't be in that position.

Without Habeous Corpus, those guys would be in prison. For the cyberspace and media convicted them before there was any testimony.

And it's what's happened to everyone in Gitmo and Iraq...charged as enemy combatents--without Habeous COrpus--and then sitting in prisons without evidence against them except hearsay.

So yes...let the attorneys work. AND these 'goons' in the Justice Dept. and the White House had better start respecting attorneys, respecting the rule of law, and STOP attacking the attorneys for doing their job. (I know and have worked with lawyers who are getting attacked by the W.H. so I believe I can verify those attacks against lawyers as being true.)

These are exactly the Republican cowards (excluding Hagel) who I posted would be voting for the Webb bill.

"The six Republicans who broke ranks to vote for Webb's amendment were Norm Coleman of Minnesota, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine, Gordon Smith of Oregon, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and John Sununu of New Hampshire."

Hopefully the Democratic Senate will realize that all they are doing is enabling folks like Norm Coleman and John Sunnunu and even Susan Collins who would otherwise be cheering on the Administration if '08 their seats were not in jepordy. The Republican Party has no intent, none, of supporting an end to the war and our leaders should not make it easy for them to have a free vote, knowing full well that the totals will never reach 60 or 67 votes. And if it the vote ever garned 59 or 66 votes the swing Senate voter would run away as quickly as they could.

This needs to be all about Republican enabling of the President, voters are smart enough to understand that if the argument is framed correctly, "Republican Enablers" is my phrase.

How Dare You!
Wednesday, Sep. 19, 2007
By MICHAEL KINSLEY

Goodness gracious. oh, my paws and whiskers. Some of the meanest, most ornery hombres around are suddenly feeling faint. Notorious tough guys are swooning with the vapors. The biggest beasts in the barnyard are all aflutter over something they read in the New York Times. It's that ad from MoveOn.org — the one that calls General David Petraeus, the head of U.S. forces in Iraq, general betray us. All across the radio spectrum, right-wing shock jocks are themselves shocked. How could anybody say such a thing? It's horrifying. It's outrageous. It's disgraceful. It's just beyond the pale ... It's ... oh, my heavens ... say, is it a bit stuffy in here? ... I think I'm going to ... Could I have a glass of ... oh, dear [thud].

Welcome to the wonderful world of umbrage, the new language of American politics. You would not have thought that the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly would be so sensitive. Sticks and stones and so on. Yet they all seem to have taken one look at that ad and fainted dead away. And when they came round, they demanded — as if with one voice (or at least as if with one list of talking points) — that every Democratic presidential candidate must "condemn" this shocking, shocking document.

The ad is pretty tough, and the pun on the general's name is pretty witless. You could argue that since the verb betray and the noun traitor have the same root, the ad is accusing the head of American forces in Iraq of treason. The ad can also be interpreted — more plausibly if you consider the rest of the text — merely as questioning the general's honesty, not his patriotism. But whatever your interpretation of the ad, all the gasping for air and waving of scented handkerchiefs among the war's most enthusiastic supporters is pretty comical.

It's all phony, of course. The war's backers are obviously delighted to have this ad from which they can make an issue. They wouldn't trade it for a week in Anbar province (a formerly troubled area of Iraq that is now, thanks to us, an Eden of peace and tranquillity where barely a car bomb disturbs the perfumed silence — or so they say). These days, mock outrage is used by every side of every dispute. It's fair enough to criticize something your opponent said while secretly thanking your lucky stars that he said it. The fuss over this MoveOn.org ad is something else: it is the result of a desperate scavenging for umbrage material. When so many people are clamoring for a chance to swoon that they each have to take a number and when the landscape is so littered with folks lying prostrate and pretending to be dead that it starts to look like the end of a Civil War battle re-enactment, this isn't spontaneous mass outrage. This is choreography.

more...
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1663424,00.html?cnn=yes

Bubba
You are absolutely right.

Hillary Clinton voted not to condemn MoveOn.

US says Blackwater still under contract in Iraq: U.S. security firm Blackwater remains in Iraq under a State Department contract while a joint commission investigates a shooting incident in Baghdad on Sunday that left 11 Iraqis dead, the U.S. embassy said on Thursday.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/KHA046908.htm

U.S. Army Awards Iraq Security Work To British Firm: The U.S. military confirmed yesterday that it awarded the largest security contract in Iraq to a private British firm, Aegis Defence Services, in a deal worth up to $475 million over two years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/13/AR2007091302237.html?referrer=emailarticle

In case you missed it: : 'Trophy' video exposes private security contractors mercenaries shooting up Iraqi drivers: The video of Aegis Defence Services, shows security guards opening fire with automatic rifles at civilian cars. All of the shooting incidents apparently took place on "route Irish", a road that links the airport to Baghdad.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11157.htm

180,000 Private Contractors Mercenaries Flood Iraq: The United States has assembled an imposing industrial army in Iraq larger than its uniformed fighting force and responsible for a such a broad swath of responsibilities the military might not be able to operate without its private-sector partners.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3626620

The $3,850 per second war and its victims:: $333 million a day, $14 million an hour, $231,000 a minute and $3,850 a second. Even for the world's richest country, this is serious money.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SP125382.htm

Bush Invaded Iraq for Gog
http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2007/9/20/111013/931

..wherein you will see this amazing comment:

W's biggest achievement has been to trick people into believing he lacks intelligence or knowledge. His administration has been about plundering the treasury from the beginning and as per Occam's Razor everything else seems to serve that obvious and basic purpose. The rest is obfuscation.

Reagan, to whom Bush is a disciple, preferred his adversaries to doubt his sanity and rationality. Keeps your opponent off guard and always wondering what you are capable of. It is an entirely effective technique and the Bush people are not running amateur hour here.

It is my feeling that they are pure globalists who believe that the nation state is outdated and they serve a new world that most people haven't noticed exists yet. The constituency of the current US Administration is the wealthy class and Bush has made as much clear when speaking to this audience.

Watch what they do, rather than what they say and it's all very simple

Watch what they do, rather than what they say and it's all very simple

Posted by: nmp at September 20, 2007 06:51 PM

Pure CORRUPTION AND EVIL!!!!!!

Bush inartfully suggests Saddam killed Mandela

In a press conference this morning, President Bush tried to assert that Saddam’s brutal rule over Iraq wiped the country clean of potential democratic reformers — individuals who may have possessed leadership skills like former South African President Nelson Mandela. In doing so, Bush inartfully suggested Saddam killed Mandela:

I thought an interesting comment was made — somebody said to me, I heard somebody say, “Now, where’s Mandela?” Well, Mandela’s dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas.

For the record, Nelson Mandela is still alive while Saddam Hussein is dead. Watch it:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/bush-mandela/

Crawford’s Lost Idiot strikes again.
Comment by Mark @ News Corpse

The Age of Irresponsibility
How Bush has created a moral vacuum in Iraq in which Americans can kill for free.

WEB-EXCLUSIVE COMMENTARY
By Michael Hirsh
Newsweek

Sept. 20, 2007 - Imagine a universe where a man can gun down women and children anytime he pleases, knowing he will never be brought to justice. A place where morality is null and void, and arbitrary killing is the rule. A place that has been imagined hitherto only in nightmarish dystopian fiction, like “1984,” or in fevered passages from Dostoevsky—or which existed during the Holocaust and Stalinist purges and the Dark Ages. Well, that universe exists today. It is called Iraq. And the man who made it possible is George W. Bush.

The moral vacuum of Iraq—where Blackwater USA guards can kill 10 or 20 Iraqis on a whim and never be prosecuted for it—did not happen by accident. It is yet another example of something the Bush administration could have prevented with the right measures but simply did not bother about as it rushed into invading and occupying another country. With America’s all-volunteer army under strain, the Pentagon and White House knew that regular military cannot be used for guarding civilians. As far back as 2003, then-defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld convened a task force under Undersecretary of Defense David Chu to consider new laws that might be needed to govern the privatization of war. Nothing was done about its recommendations. Then, two days before he left Iraq for good, L. Paul Bremer III, the Coalition Provisional Authority administrator, signed a blanket order immunizing all Americans, because, as one of his former top aides told me, “we wanted to make sure our military, civilians and contractors were protected from Iraqi law.” (No one worried about protecting the Iraqis from us; after all, we still thought of ourselves as the “liberators,” even though by then the worst abuses at Abu Ghraib and other places were known.)

Nor can these private armies even be prosecuted in America under U.S. law. The Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000, which permits charges to be brought in U.S. courts for crimes abroad, apparently applies only to Defense Department contractors (and even then the administration has rarely used it). Blackwater and other security firms work for the State Department. Even today, despite the crucial role of Blackwater and other private security firms—who employ up to 30,000 operatives in keeping the civilian side of the U.S. occupation going—Iraqis can do nothing if they are abused or killed by them. While many Blackwater operatives are brave and honorable—the company has lost some 30 of its employees in Iraq—many of these paramilitaries have long been known to be cowboys who act as if they are free to commit homicide as they please. And according to numerous Iraqi witnesses, they sometimes do.

more...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20892483/site/newsweek/from/RS.1/

Feeling down about the trumped up vote against moveon today--even though I wasn't a rabid supporter of the whole "betrayus" until I read at Kos that it was the troops that gave him that nick...

Anyways, so Mike Stark has put up a nice piece at Kos and registered some new website. I sort of like it. CHeck it out:

"In preparation, I registered the domain names, "WeAreYourBase.com", "SpeakWithOneVoice.org[and] .net" and I've researched the cost of purchasing NotOneRedCent.com.
....

We are forming a donors' union and going on strike.

If I can raise the money, we will build a site that allows people to donate $10 to any non-elected progressive candidate or progressive organization that has an account at ActBlue. I am confident that we will be able to recruit 10,000 $10 donors (some will contribute more). repeating: each donor will promise to give NotOneRedCent to elected Democrats or organizations that give money to elected democrats. Instead, they will promise to use their money to contribute to progressive organizations and candidates that, as proved by their record, support the furtherance of progressive ideals."

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/20/104634/134

PS..... Please join moveon or donate to a fringe group just in protest of this icky vote.

Democrats Voting to Condemn MoveOn.org

Baucus (D-MT), Bayh (D-IN), Cardin (D-MD), Carper (D-DE), Casey (D-PA), Conrad (D-ND), Dorgan (D-ND), Feinstein (D-CA), Johnson (D-SD), Klobuchar (D-MN), Kohl (D-WI), Landrieu (D-LA), Leahy (D-VT), Lincoln (D-AR), McCaskill (D-MO), Mikulski (D-MD), Nelson (D-FL), Nelson (D-NE), Pryor (D-AR), Salazar (D-CO), Tester (D-MT), Webb (D-VA)

Demsocrats Who Voted ‘No’

Akaka (D-HI) Bingaman (D-NM), Boxer (D-CA), Brown (D-OH), Byrd (D-WV), Clinton (D-NY), Dodd (D-CT), Durbin (D-IL), Feingold (D-WI), Harkin (D-IA), Inouye (D-HI), Kennedy (D-MA), Kerry (D-MA), Lautenberg (D-NJ), Levin (D-MI), Menendez (D-NJ), Murray (D-WA), Reed (D-RI), Reid (D-NV), Rockefeller (D-WV), Sanders (I-VT), Schumer (D-NY), Stabenow (D-MI), Whitehouse (D-RI), Wyden (D-OR)

Democrats Not Voting

Biden (D-DE), Cantwell (D-WA), Obama (D-IL)

It kills me when people call MoveOn, DailyKos, probably even us "left wing" - that is even more pathetic than during the Reagan era.

"Left wing" is hammer and sickle. "Left wing" is collective farms.

Sparrow

Right on ... that sounds great!

Obama didn't vote. Neither did Cantwell. Wierd.

Countdown Special Comment: The President Of Hypocrisy

So the President, behaving a little bit more than usual, like we’d all interrupted him while he was watching his favorite cartoons on the DVR, stepped before the press conference microphone and after side-stepping most of the substantive issues like the Israeli raid on Syria in condescending and infuriating fashion, produced a big-wow political finish that indicates, certainly, that if it wasn’t already — the annual Republican witch-hunting season is underway.

“I thought the ad was disgusting. I felt like the ad was an attack not only on General Petraeus, but on the U.S. Military.

“And I was disappointed that not more leaders in the Democrat party spoke out strongly against that kind of ad.

“And that leads me to come to this conclusion: that most Democrats are afraid of irritating a left-wing group like Move-On-Dot-Org — or **more** afraid of irritating them, than they are of irritating the United States military.”

“That was a sorry deal.”

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/20/countdown-special-comment-the-president-of-hypocrisy/

Jerry Says: ‘First off, it’s “Democrat-ic” party, sir.

You keep pretending you’re not a politician, so stop using words your party made up. Show a little respect.’

LMAO!!! I loved it. When I heard that, I knew it was going to be good one. K.O. is the only commentator who has the balls to scold the WarPig like the emotionally and mentally disturbed adolescent in a man’s body that Bush is.

MY thoughts exactly

Canadian Newsmag: How Bush Became The New Saddam
COVER STORY: Its strategies shattered, a desperate Washington is reaching out to the late dictator's henchmen.
Macleans Patrick Graham September 20, 2007 11:28 PM
It was embarrassing putting my flak jacket on backwards and sideways, but in the darkness of the Baghdad airport car park I couldn't see anything. "Peterik, put the flak jacket on," the South African security contractor was saying politely, impatiently. "You know the procedure if we are attacked."
I didn't. He explained. One of the chase vehicles would pull up beside us and someone would drag me out of the armoured car, away from the firing. If both drivers were unconscious—nice euphemism—he said I should try to run to the nearest army checkpoint. If the checkpoint was American, things might work out if they didn’t shoot first. If it was Iraqi . . . he didn’t elaborate.>>>cont
http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20070920_100442_7900&source=srch&page=1

Fire-bomb thrown at PM's house

A MAN has been arrested by Australian Federal Police after a burning object was thrown into Prime Minister John Howard's Sydney residence, Kirribilli House, starting a fire and sparking a security scare.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22456865-2,00.html

The War Pig

Love it

Rossi, it's a bad situation, but really rather small and pathetic. Someone wanting his moment of fame perhaps.

Man arrested over fire at PM's house
Les Kennedy
September 21, 2007 - 12:29PM

A man has been arrested for allegedly throwing an incendiary device at Prime Minister John Howard's Sydney residence.

Police say a "lit item" - a white cotton shoulder bag - was thrown towards the gates of Kirribilli House before midday.

A metre long scorch mark on the concrete in front of the sandstone wall of Kirribilli House marked where the blazing bag was doused.

The spot is looked over by a nearby security camera.

No-one was injured and there was no damage to Kirribilli House.

Mr Howard was in Canberra at the time of the incident, the prime minister's office said.

Australian Federal Police arrested the man, aged 33, and he has been taken to North Sydney police station.

with AAP

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/fire-at-pms-home--man-arrested/2007/09/21/1189881742679.html

Global Supremacy. This is the George Bush and John Howard plot. They have established joint operations bases in Queensland, Pine Gap and Guam. Howard needs to go before he causes too much more hate and racism.

I remember my son using the internet on my computer about 10 years ago. Suddenly he called me and asked, "What does this mean?" Across the screen was a picture of thick heavy chains and padlock. I asked what he was looking up. "Pine Gap." Leave it to Jeremy. His first use of the internet and within 10 minutes he was locked out.

Pine Gap's wider missile role
Sarah Smiles and Brendan Nicholson
September 21, 2007

THE Pine Gap spy base in central Australia could become part of the Bush Administration's controversial plan for a global anti-ballistic missile system.

In a speech to Parliament marking the 40th anniversary of the joint Australian-US facility, Defence Minister Brendan Nelson said it contributed to global security, helped inhibit the spread of ballistic missiles and provided information on ballistic missile launches of interest to Australia. And, information from Pine Gap on missile launches could be used in any US missile defence system.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/pine-gaps-wider-missile-role/2007/09/20/1189881684412.html

Amnesty International's 86 day campaign to end Guantanamo, torture, kidnappings and all the other things that have tainted all of us.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/Torture/86days/page.do?id=1011410&n1=3&n2=38&n3=1447&tr=y&auid=3013857

Rossi, it's a bad situation, but really rather small and pathetic. Someone wanting his moment of fame perhaps.

Fool!!!!! getting locked up for that Wanker.

Exactly, rossi. Idiot.

Bush Invaded Iraq for Gog
http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2007/9/20/111013/931

Identifying Gog and Magog
The Great Battle of the End Times
http://www.preteristarchive.com/Preterism/simmons-kurt_p_06_07.html

I sure as hell had to look that one up, infidel that I am. God save us all from this maniac.

Hey woz did you read Christys posts, that I posted up further.

Odor of Corruption Over Saudi "Contract of the Century"
Justice or jobs? Moral principles or contracts? The British Labor government gave a great lesson in cynicism, but efficacy, Monday, when it signed a contract to supply 72 Typhoon Eurofighter jets to Saudi Arabia for 4.43 billion pounds (6.3 billion euros), the "contract of the century" for British Aerospace (BAE) and its partners.

Reminder of previous episodes: Last year, Tony Blair, then still prime minister, blocked an investigation of financial embezzlement involving the Saudi royal family in the negotiation of this fabulous contract. The investigation had begun in 2004 and established that BAE had transferred a billion pounds sterling (1.4 billion euros) to the private account of Prince Bandar, who was Saudi Arabia's ambassador to Washington for twenty years, and another billion pounds to the Swiss accounts of other royal family members. The British Serious Fraud Office (SFO), a theoretically independent agency, was not authorized to pursue its investigations.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092007G.shtml

Why Iraqi Farmers Might Prefer Death to Paul Bremer's Order 81

Heard about the thousands of farmer suicides in India? Well, Iraqi farmers may be next thanks to the work of U.S. diplomat Paul Bremer and his Monsanto friends.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/62273/

$6 BILLION IN IRAQ CONTRACTS
UNDER CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION
New York Times | September 21, 2007 12:18 AM

Military officials said Thursday that contracts worth $6 billion to provide essential supplies to American troops in Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan -- including food, water and shelter -- were under review by criminal investigators, double the amount the Pentagon had previously disclosed.

In addition, $88 billion in contracts and programs, including those for body armor for American soldiers and matériel for Iraqi and Afghan security forces, are being audited for financial irregularities, the officials said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/21/washington/21contract.html?ei=5088&en=6ff5d60f1fe4df5e&ex=1348027200&adxnnl=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1190359876-sKqlDNuN19dA40ojjTjRkA

Hey woz did you read Christys posts, that I posted up further.

Posted by: rossiann at September 21, 2007 02:20 AM

Yes I did. I've always enjoyed Christy's posts, since I first turned up here at the end of last year.

I sure as hell had to look that one up, infidel that I am. God save us all from this maniac.

Posted by: rossiann at September 21, 2007 02:19 AM

Me too and ditto

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/62273/

Posted by: rossiann at September 21, 2007 03:15 AM

Being a farmer's daughter, this is truly ..... truly ..... No, I can't think of a word to say what I think of this. There are no words bad enough.

Israeli Strikes In Syria Remain Veiled In Secrecy; Bush Refuses Comment

Bush Declines to Lift Veil of Secrecy Over Israeli Airstrike on Syria

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/21/washington/21prexy.html?ex=1348027200&en=63c414ff91e6ce7e&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

ICKY vote.

Posted by: sparrow at September 20, 2007 09:54 PM

hahahaha God love you sparrow, I know that he does, he could not help himself, but I just had to post you at Rebelle, after that icky vote. Now I would not have been so nice, if you know what I mean, I think he is still deciding on me.

My cuz is trying to pave the way for me, saying plenty of Hail Marys for me, when he thinks I need help, which he decided is very often.

You go, Jena.

Wow Rossi. I forgot you had those.

It is hard to read those words for me now, it is like someone else wrote them in another lifetime.

I went to my friends house yesterday. She is dying and I took some canvasses over to show her. As soon as I pulled up to her moms house, that is all they could talk about, the Jena Six. The whole family was wearing black.

It was so strange to finally see this conversation unfold in the middle of them. It was exciting and...I don't even know the words for it. 4 generation of a black family sitting there talking about civil rights, unequal justice, and the rebirth of the south.

Their whole family started showing up to celebrate, when it resembled a family reunion I left to come home and my friend shouted out to me something to the effect of 'It is a whole new day".

As I left I was looking back at them hoping God was listening.

I realized then my life would not change, no matter how much progress our state makes, but their lives, almost their entire lives have been spent waiting for something to change.

It still feels surreal.

I don't know how else to describe it.

Mann Coulter has a new book out called "If Democrats Had Any Brains They Would Be Republicans." It's not free this time though. You have to join the Conservative Book Club and you can get it in the "three-for-a-dollar" package. That should shoot it up to the top of the best seller lists in time for the election.

Democrats should attack Bush, not MoveOn

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-begala/democrats-should-attack-b_b_65201.html

Any doubt China controls us and calls the shots and we have no choice? Or did Mattel use a "blame China" strategy and get caught? Or does our government not regulate anything?

Mattel Apologizes to China

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070921/ap_on_bi_ge/china_tainted_products

"This shows that our cooperation is in the interests of Mattel, and both parties should value our cooperation. I really hope that Mattel can learn lessons and gain experience from these incidents," Li (of CHINA) said, adding that Mattel should "improve their control measures."(Wow!)

Thank you very much Susan for the address. I appreciate it.

Karen,

I just left the post office and they said the package I just sent should get there by noon tomorrow.

SENATE VOTING ON LEVIN AMENDMENT ***NOW*** TO WITHDRAW TROOPS.

I am watching C-Span to see how the voting is going..

BTW this vote, apparently, does not need cloture (60 votes) since it is an amendment to an appropriations bill.

The amendment lost - 47 votes yea to 47 votes nay

Posted by: Christy at September 21, 2007 10:11 AM

A package? oooooooooooooooooooo

Ralph, 47-47? Um...don't we have 100 Senators? (Rhetorical question)

Who didn't vote?

Rumsfeld Speech Canceled After "Too Many People Objected"
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was supposed to speak to the Wichita Metro Chamber of Commerce in Kansas on Dec. 4. But today the Wichita Eagle reports that his appearance was quietly canceled last month after “too many people objected.”
The Chamber, which is traditionally conservative, is now expecting to hear from former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, who recently joined the speaker’s circuit.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/rumsfeld-speech-nixed-after-too-many-people-objected/

Ralpheh
Thanks for watching for those of us who can't.

Gold Star Father Who Lost Son In Iraq Allegedly Beaten By Members Of Pro-War Group

We brought you Adam Kokesh’s incredible speech from last Saturday’s Iraq protests in Washington D.C., and unfortunately, there was an incident that occurred that day that was so disgusting it defies description.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/republican-hypocrisy/

Those Who Assaulted Carlos Arredondo
Sept. 15, 2007, Washington DC
Photos by Hilsdon Photography LLC

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/downloads/carlos/index.htm

Posted by: rossiann at September 21, 2007 11:08 AM

I made the mistake of going to the Gathering of Eagles website...

I hate to stoop to their level of spewing bile, but what a bunch of nationalistic evil scumbags.

BAGHDAD - American convoys under the protection of Blackwater USA resumed on Friday, four days after the U.S. Embassy suspended all land travel by its diplomats and other civilian officials in response to the alleged killing of civilians by the security firm.

A top aide to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki had earlier conceded it may prove difficult for the Iraqi government to follow through on threats to expel Blackwater and other Western security contractors.

The aide, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation into Sunday's shooting was ongoing, said a way out of the Blackwater crisis could be the payment of compensation to victims' families and an agreement from all sides on a new set of rules for their operations in Iraq.

more...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17149369/

2 arrested in noose incident near Jena

Authorities in Alexandria, Louisiana, arrested two people after nooses were seen hanging from a pickup Thursday night, the city's mayor told CNN.

Alexandria is less than an hour away from Jena, Louisiana, and was a staging area Thursday for protesters who went to the smaller town to demonstrate against the treatment of six black teens known as the "Jena 6" in racially charged incidents.

Police say the 18-year-old driver of the truck was charged with driving while intoxicated and inciting to riot and also may be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor -- the 16-year-old passenger.

As police were questioning the driver, he said he had an unloaded rifle in the back, which police found. They also found a set of brass knuckles in the cup holder on the dashboard, according to the police report.

The passenger told police he and his family are in the Ku Klux Klan, the police report said. He also said he had tied the nooses and that the brass knuckles belonged to him, the report said.

more...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/21/car.nooses/index.html

I can't believe ANY democrat signed on to that piece of garbage resolution over the MoveOn ad... Where was the outrage when all those fat Republicans sat sweating and drooling with purple heart bandaids on their overfed cheeks at the convention in 2004?

I'm anticipating actually seeing news footage of Harry Reid bent over a desk in the Senate chambers waving a tube of KY...

What a complete bunch of losers.

I hope they friking live with guilt until their dying days, because I hold the BASTARDS complicit in the deaths of 1,60,494 Iraqis Slaughtered In Georgies illegal war and occupation and the deaths of 3,792 US military,not including all the wounded.

Supreme Court author: Justice Souter wept when he thought of Bush v. Gore

Toobin had to admit he wasn't aware of any secrets of that kind, but did confide that "Justice Souter was so upset about the result in Bush v. Gore that not only did he almost resign the Court because he was so upset, but there were times when he thought about the case and he wept."

"You say the justices have tried to put the decision of Bush v. Gore behind them and move on," Colbert said. "That sounds like one of those movies where a bunch of frat brothers inadvertently kill a prostitute and then later she comes back and haunts them and kills them one by one. Is that it? Are they haunted by that decision?"

"I think some of them are," Toobin responded. "Some of them, I think, the Bush presidency hasn't quite worked out as they had hoped."

"But they weren't making the decision based on wanting Bush. They were making the decision based upon the clear law," suggested Colbert.

"Well, that's that they said," replied Toobin.

"Are you calling them liars?" asked Colbert.

"Not liars, but I think sometimes political motivations do play a part," Toobin conceded.

http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Supreme_Court_author_Justice_Souter_wept_0921.html

~new thread~ moving questions

It still feels surreal.

I don't know how else to describe it.

Posted by: Christy at September 21, 2007 07:48 AM

You described it very well, I can sit in front of my computor here thousands of miles away Down Under, and imagine that I was in that room, and praying that your friend and her family see their "Brand New Day"

U.S. military cemetery running out of space

OVERLAND PARK, Kan., Sept 20 (Reuters) - A Kansas military cemetery has run out of space after the burial of another casualty of the Iraq war, officials said on Thursday.

"We are full," said Alison Kohler, spokeswoman for the Fort Riley U.S. Army post, home of the 1st Infantry Division.

U.S. Sens. Sam Brownback and Pat Roberts, both Kansas Republicans, on Thursday sent a letter to William Tuerk, the under secretary for memorial affairs at the Department of Veterans Affairs, urging for full funding for a new cemetery for Fort Riley.

"While a new cemetery would not be completed in time to alleviate this situation immediately, it is vitally important," Roberts and Brownback, a Republican presidential candidate, said in their letter.

Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N20396774.htm

The passenger told police he and his family are in the Ku Klux Klan, the police report said. He also said he had tied the nooses and that the brass knuckles belonged to him, the report said.

more...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/21/car.nooses/index.html

Posted by: monkey at September 21, 2007 12:17 PM

Has humanity always had this level of hatred for others? Or is it that we can read about it and see pictures of it now? Either way, these are the people who should be sent to war - NOT in someone elses country - but out in a desert somewhere, with very high fences surrounding them and nowhere to hide. Let them spit on and kill each other. They're absolutely no use to anyone or anything.

ORB Survey And 1.2 Million Iraq Deaths Ignored By Australian And Anglo-American Media

http://www.countercurrents.org/polya190907.htm

Christy, Christian should also watch this it is very important, you should see the numbers, and what is happening

Military Recruiters Raping Our Kids - No Child Left Behind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXXCGELP05c&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmwcnews%2Enet%2FHomePage

Posted by: nmp at September 20, 2007 06:51 PM

I agree.